trigger_andy

You assume I keep voting for it. We need a fundamental step-change. What we don’t need it some idiots with a single agenda being handed the keys to number 10. As bad as things are that would be monumentally worse. You not voting for Starmer and me supposedly voting Tory just results in the Tories getting the massive win they got at the last election. You’re as much a part of the problem as you believe I am.

We’ve been in a race to the bottom in British Politics since at least Blair’s time in power. To clarify, there is less and less accountability, they are more and more brazen in their sleaze and willingness to break the rules, their pledged and their own supposed ethics then just saunter off into the sunset on their buddies gravy-train. The Tories, the Lib Dems and Labour are all at it. Just like most things the Tories are simply better at it. This is has nothing to do with Brexit, this is internal British Politics that has existed long before the remotest possibility of Brexit was on the cards. There has been far more Brexit wins than there has been losses but failings in British accountability and Brexit are two separate issues. Perhaps we followed the EU’s playbook of unelected, unaccountable bureaucrats neck deep in corruption and cronyism a little too closely?

I’m not dyed in the wool. I’m exasperated that’s we’re in a race to the bottom and that the Tories have free reign because the opposition is so weak. I am actually having to pay tax to Scotland these days unfortunately. Due to the SNPs policies off offering everything for nothing to maintain power we pay 1% more up here than England. Couple that with the disgusting policy of removing the tax free allowance when you go over a certain threshold means that I have a a higher liability in Scotland than I would in Norway. Such is life.

You’ve given a non-viable answer in my opinion. What we need is accountability. If we can’t have that then trying to replace the two main parties with smaller ones with lunatic axes to grind is only going to compound the problems we already have. As I say, Scotland and the SNP are a prime example. That’s me starting my day Eggs. 😁 Make Hay when the sunshines and all that. Gotta keep the SNP voters in the lifestyle they’re accustomed.

I’ve asked what can we do. Voting for lunatics is not the answer. We see that in Scotland.

I can see why you deleted the picture of the wrecked boat dumped on that council estate as it’s a perfect metaphor for what we could have had under Labour. 🤣

I don’t like what the fringe freaks offer here in the U.K. But no I don’t think coalitions work. We seen how well that worked for the Lib Dems and Labour the last time.

Oh right. No thanks.

How do we do that?

A broken record poster gets a broken record reply. What do we do with this information though? What viable alternative is there? Genuine question here. Voting left, right, left, right is clearly not the solution. I guess we could just keep having the right wingers post up bad press about the left and the left wingers post up bad press about the right? It’s not going to accomplish anything other than build stronger walls in our own echo chamber. And yeh, thinking about how much worse it could have been under the other mob is relevant. We’re clearly no where near outta this shitshow and sooner or later we’re gonna have another election. Since we don’t have hindsight to see how Labour would have played it we can only surmise and for me it puts a shudder up my spine. Can you honestly imagine Corbyne and Abbott making a single rational decision? I certainly can’t. By having such an utterly weak and clueless opposition we’re giving the Tories carte blanche to do as they please knowing no one in their right mind would vote Labour. See, I knew it was all really Labours fault really. 🤣

Oh I know. But it’s the only real reply to a man that’s so blinkered with hatred for one particular party.

I shudder to think how much worse it could have been.

I thought 20% was about bang on considering an average open fire is 15%.

I take that with a pinch of salt. I abuse all my tools and never had an issue with DeWalt in the last 3 years or so. Before that and for a period they where made of chocolate right enough.

Thats amazing! And the owner did not want it back? Did it actually produce Walnuts?

Modern Woodburners with afterburners are extremely efficient. For a 1 ton bag of logs you're getting over 80% of the heat into your room, with an open fire you're getting 15%. Its 85% of the the logs literally up in smoke. There is no point trying to reinvent the wheel here and debating it, thats the facts. An open fire clearly does not blast out the heat like nothing else, thats why its 15% efficient and a modern stove, which literally blasts out the heat like nothing else is over 80% efficient. You clearly have a hard-on for an open fire and dont seem to want a 'crappy woodburner'. Knock yourself out.

Get an open fire then. You've a loooooooot of reading and understanding to get your head around with your current mindset.

An open fire is 15% efficient, a stove is over 80% these days.

No, from 2023 traditional coal will be phased out in England. Quite rightly too! Smokeless coal will continue to be sold. I have no issue with this at all. The attack on Logs is another matter though.

You where talking about 'back in the day' and 1900. You also mention working from dusk til dawn. Now you've switched to modern day. Make your mind up.

Even smokeless?

We where the same. Toilet bowl frozen over through the winter. If you want an open fire knock yourself out. I’ve yet to see a positive for one over a stove. Unless you’ve so much timber you need to get through you’re actually looking forward gobbling it all up needlessly.

We had open fires all through my childhood. I certainly dont remember them keeping the whole house warm. Far from it and there was hell if you left the livingroom door open. The efficiency is so low that you’ll be refuelling far more often for far less heat into the room. You’ll also have a gaping hole in your room letting in the cold constantly.

Need to take the fireplaces back to the builders entrance if that’s possible. Open fires are just crap. Efficiency is incredibly low, spits sparks drafty, no way to control the burn, no stored energy/heat once it goes out. You’re certainly missing something. 🤣