Making the news today....

[kevinjohnsonmbe]

2 hours ago, Khriss said:

Indeed they dont, as this young man discovered.... Probably why the lieutenant did not want to get out of his truck. K

 

Met PC jailed for breaking man’s leg in ‘clear case of racial profiling’

WWW.BBC.CO.UK

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Carl Abrahams was leaving a cemetery with his sons when he was stopped by PC Charlie Harrison.

 

 

It’s not helpful to cross reference US and UK, statutory, legal, social and habitual precedents. 
 

I haven’t read the AB you mention K but (a) sounds like goody and (b) you seem to be advancing a fairly reasonable proposition that the task of law enforcement (not intentionally using a US term) is to investigate a potential crime and there is no obligation upon the ‘suspect’ to assist in that process - if I’ve interpreted that correctly, I totally agree. 
 

“whatever you say may be recorded and used in evidence”

 

Immediately followed by a question....

 

”Do you understand?”

 

You've just told me I don’t need to say anything now you’re straight in with the questions....

 

Theres a great YouTube vid (unfortunately, US, which summarises this - I’ll see if I can find it. 

 

 

[kevinjohnsonmbe]

8 hours ago, kevinjohnsonmbe said:

It’s not helpful to cross reference US and UK, statutory, legal, social and habitual precedents. 
 

I haven’t read the AB you mention K but (a) sounds like goody and (b) you seem to be advancing a fairly reasonable proposition that the task of law enforcement (not intentionally using a US term) is to investigate a potential crime and there is no obligation upon the ‘suspect’ to assist in that process - if I’ve interpreted that correctly, I totally agree. 
 

“whatever you say may be recorded and used in evidence”

 

Immediately followed by a question....

 

”Do you understand?”

 

You've just told me I don’t need to say anything now you’re straight in with the questions....

 

Theres a great YouTube vid (unfortunately, US, which summarises this - I’ll see if I can find it. 

 

 

There it is....

 

Straight from the university of YouTube 😂

[Khriss]

@kevinjohnsonmbe thats pretty much of a nutshell in his book. I will not even accept a Police caution as that remains on yr record for life. If yr convicted of murder, serve yr sentence - that does not have to be declared after. K

[Khriss]

( though Peter Tatchell is still irritating 😤) 

[nepia]

3 hours ago, Khriss said:

I will not even accept a Police caution as that remains on yr record for life

Think you're wrong there but even if you're not - and that would be due to a recent change in legislation - there's the Rehabilitation of Offenders Act that makes past offences 'expire' for court purposes, the date of expiry being calculated according to the sentence passed.  'Expire' in that context means that a sentencing court should not take stale offences into consideration when passing sentence.

 

Also were you ever in the position to be deciding whether to accept a caution or not you'd be forcing a decision on the Police/CPS - charge and put you before a court or take no further action.

 

Edited April 15, 2021 by nepia

[Khriss]

36 minutes ago, nepia said:

Think you're wrong there but even if you're not - and that would be due to a recent change in legislation - there's the Rehabilitation of Offenders Act that makes past offences 'expire' for court purposes, the date of expiry being calculated according to the sentence passed.  'Expire' in that context means that a sentencing court should not take stale offences into consideration when passing sentence.

 

Also were you ever in the position to be deciding whether to accept a caution or not you'd be forcing a decision on the Police/CPS - charge and put you before a court or take no further action.

 

.... I could also get into yr DNA record or evidential retention 😉 but a bit early in the day for that  😆 K

[kevinjohnsonmbe]

This is interesting (IMO)

 

https://www.treehugger.com/france-to-ban-short-flights-5176583

 

More efficient trains could equate to fewer domestic flights (not suggesting this is a complicated or controversial concept 😂)

 

I wonder if the anti-HS2 brigade would see a benefit in fewer domestic flights?

[Mark J]

2 hours ago, kevinjohnsonmbe said:

This is interesting (IMO)

 

https://www.treehugger.com/france-to-ban-short-flights-5176583

 

More efficient trains could equate to fewer domestic flights (not suggesting this is a complicated or controversial concept 😂)

 

I wonder if the anti-HS2 brigade would see a benefit in fewer domestic flights?

I don't know the numbers, but I don't imagine that many people fly from Leeds to London.
HS2 is (should be) a dead duck by now. 
More efficient trains on current routes would be a start.

 

Edited April 16, 2021 by Mark J

[kevinjohnsonmbe]

7 hours ago, Mark J said:

I don't know the numbers, but I don't imagine that many people fly from Leeds to London.
HS2 is (should be) a dead duck by now. 
More efficient trains on current routes would be a start.

 

I haven’t looked closely enough at HS2 to have a strongly held view either way Mark - other than to say I can’t really see how 10 minutes off a journey is sufficient to justify the sacrifices. 
 

I know it’s considerably bigger than that very simplistic view obvs. 
 

Less air travel has to be an aspiration rather than the seemingly obsessive expansion that seems to be fashionable. 
 

 

[devon TWiG]

11 hours ago, kevinjohnsonmbe said:

I haven’t looked closely enough at HS2 to have a strongly held view either way Mark - other than to say I can’t really see how 10 minutes off a journey is sufficient to justify the sacrifices. 
 

I know it’s considerably bigger than that very simplistic view obvs. 
 

Less air travel has to be an aspiration rather than the seemingly obsessive expansion that seems to be fashionable. 
 

 

it is not about time saving but greatly increasing carrying capacity .....still unjustifiably expensive though !!!