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Why would you need a saw with 461/462 30" bar to take down 20-30" trees ? take that sized tree down regularly and only use a 241 14" bar and 261 with 16" bar ,2 461s one with 20" bar and one with 25" bar sit in truck day in day out and only come out now and then, reason why it takes so much more effort to lug a big saw round all day on a steep bank and a 461/462 would be no good on a 30" bar the 2 461s we have are quite a way apart and only 5" different on bar size and i dont pick up the one with 25" on it very often.

yes but in that case its us who are using the saws on a daily pro basis that is selling them to the private sector and we get nowt, got 2 echo dealers near us and had a serious look at them a few wk ago so next saw may be a echo,, but i did buy a new pair of saw boots a few months ago and in the box was about 10 orange flavoured sweets with stihl on the wrappers.

so if you go and spend a grand on a 462 661 880 you get fuck all, sounds about right buying 2 or 3 pro saws a year not one micky mouse fart box every 10 year and you get nowt, a big thank you to stihl UK,

it was NPTC and as you said you have to do a theory test as by the book, and both you and i know you can read as many books as you want , but you will not learn it like you will actually doing it hands on, trainer came for 2 and a half days charged my man for 1 day and came on the morning of accessment to talk to the accesser and to watch and learn a bit from him , he has all so been coming with us now and then (free of charge) on clearfell sites to bring his self up to standard as he put it, and yes agree trainers/acessors that are any good seem to be thin on the ground these days i personally know about 8 trainers 2 i would not give them time of day, 1 just sees it as a power trip, 1 is like a old women, 1 fafs and farts about and makes it last all day 1 is ok and 2 of them are sound as pound and these 2 i try to get if i can but i think every one else in the NW has the same idea , and yes my man did pass,

sorry about this but this is my thoughts on training and accessing, a person who wants to become a trainer/ accessor has to work in the industry for 5 yrs min, so you go and do your CS30/31 and say work one day a month cutting trees/using a saw but when 5 years are up you want to become a trainer, you sit a exam and you pass it, and now you are a fully qualified trainer but in the 50-60 days over 5 years that you have worked with trees what have you realiy learnt ? you have had your ticket 5 yrs but you ain,t worked much more than a couple of monthes in the job but yet you passed your exam and became a fully qualified trainer, we can all talk and bullshit our way through life but one good example of this point was a guy who worked with us did his CS32, i spent a few days with him showing him what to do and he picked it up quickly , then when the guy who was training him turned up on the following monday it was the pupil showing and telling the trainer how to do it, i watched this and fetched and carried stuff about i,e hammer wedges winch etc on this particular day and the trainer asked me several times if it was being done right , so my main point on this is this guy has got a certificate that says he is a fully qualified trainer and is allowed to charge £300+ for his days service but hasent got much idea of what he is doing is a very poor sevice and the trainer openly addmitted that he had very little to do with CS32 sized trees, and i think this is one of the reasons why the standards have dropped in the industry please correct me if i am wrong on this,

a 2-21/2 ft butt is a nice size tree to drop as it can be done with a small saw and bar and not knowing where the bar is in the tree is just in expieriance and thats the point when things start to go wrong

HIi i think i would of picked a better photo if i was touting for work/ info on this subject not a good stance and to be stood on severed stems with a possibilaty of rolling is a big NO NO for me, WHY is the root plate not severed off ? if it was not much chance of it righting itself when you are reducing tree back, and i think the market for what your after is very limited in the UK, we sub to a major forestry co and after a big storm we could be busy on windblown for a couple of days or a couple of weeks but more than likley 1 2 3 days and thats it in the big storm of 86 ish when it flattened thousands of trees in the uk ever one who was capable of using a chainsaw was doing and it didnt take that long to clear things up,

yes agree with what your saying on this one from never having a saw in your hand, you can book a ten day course for about 2 grand and walk away with CS 30,31,32,34, & 35 ok 30/31 yes but to progress to 32 is a little insane and for a total novice to be let loose on a fresh windblown site with only the expierance of doing a 2 day course plus accesment is total maddness and a seirious accident waiting to happen and for the more expierianced lads on here we all know if you put a newbie in to windblown he wont get much done in a day as he would be scratching his head and trying to calm his self down most of the time after a but end just missing his head by not reading the situation correctly so WHY is it not still 2 yrs any one know why and when this was changed ,

good job i dont get on the motorway much and may be even less in the future ,

2 or 3 steps is enough but by the time you get to 4 steps you will be all most be behind your next tree to fell so no problem, if i had to walk 10 steps away from every tree i would be f - - - - d by dinner time , when we where felling infected larch the tree that i had just cut had not yet hit the ground and i was half way through doing the gob cut on next tree if i had to take ten steps away then 6 back how much would that cost me every day ? i would be doing less than half of a normal day,

yes i know sea transport is very cheap about 6 mths ago i was fishing on a boat and a guy who came as a guest arranged sea transport and i was shocked when he told me that a container with 20 tonne in it transported from china to uk would cost less than £1 a tonne its loading /unloading and docking fees that cost and then he told me 20ft container would cost about £120 to get on to a dock side in the uk then road haulage to destination and when you compare the size of container to a uk posted letter it makes the postal service look expensive ,

work this out if you can ? as i cant,,, we export chip to europe but we import round wood to chip for power stations from the USA canada sweden and finland and they say its carbon nuetral HOW can this be ?? the carbon foot print must be massive, boat loads of logs from sweden and finland coming to uk and then boat loads of chip going to holland passing and waving to each other in the north sea ? have they not got chippers in scandinavia ? or if you was involved in running the country and was trying to reduce the total carbon foot print for the uk would this practice tick any boxes ??? but you would of probably been to oxford or cambridge for your education !!!!!!!! thick f- - - - - s..

yes i will agree on that one a holder i have always looked up on as a mini county, and just as countys the holders will run rings round other tractors in there class, the only problem with holders are they are like rocking horse shit to find , people buy them and just dont sell i think i have only come across about 3 for sale and i think they where all bar one across the water on the continent

Hi what pull rate is the winch ? and what is the drum capacity 30 40 50 mtrs of 12mm ? i think i would be looking at the orange man made rope myself much lighter and easier to drag about as compared to steel cable, my igland has 95 mtrs of 9mm steel on it and once you get 40=50 mtrs out its bloody hard work pulling that about,

one drum is still sealed so i am happy to use that but i will mix it with new 50/50 and the other is opened with about a ltr missing price on one drum is £29.95

Hi all may be a bit of a dumb question this ? does 2 stroke oil have a shelf life or not, as been rooting in the back of shed and found 2 5 ltr drums of stihl 2 stroke oil (the red stuff) so thats mineral based oil, don,t know how long its been there 3 4 5 6 years may be more, i cant even remember putting it there (age thing) looked on label on drum and cant find anything about shelf life or date of manufacture can any one shed any light on this please ,

ring barked some larch several years ago and then was sent to fell them 20 monthes later the timber above the ring was fine but where we was cutting below decay had set in, called at kentucy on way home and the people in the que in front of us kept looking round at us, it wasent till i got home canged boots and pants went to price a job and returned home to a fowl smell in the house, i was looking all over for where the dog had crapped but found nothing , then picked saw pants up to hang on door and all came to light the bottom half of the legs along with boots stank of what i can only describe as the worst dog shit smell on earth, the morning after the other guys on site mentioned it one said he went round house checking all the bottoms of foot wear, and the other guy had got in his van then got out as he thought something was dead in there,

Hi J got a lad with me at the moment who has had a lot to do with alpines the one they have is about 65hp antoinio carreres or something like that he says the terrain is a big issue flat or gentle slopes ok but where they had it reacently was quite rocky and again ground clearanc stuck on top of rocks slipping and slidding sideways and cant get traction on steep mulchey woodland floor he looked at my kubota and said wider more ground clearance bigger wheeels on back make for better ride over stumps, i think in this low impact side of the game you could spend a shit load of money and still not be much nearer your actual goal of doing the job swiftly and effiecently, seem to have been there a few times with quad and trailer extraction,

391 or 441 ones a donkey and ones a racehorse or as a few lads above have said 461/462 now there a different saw to the 441 BUT why would you want to carry all that weight about all day ? if your in there most days go for the lightest saw you can get away with, i work in commercial forestry and use 241 14" bar and 261 16" bar most of the time but we do run 461s on both 20" & 25" bars and mainly stay in the truck but do come out for the bigger trees now and then, but do my arms know that i have been running a bigger saw,i would look at the 362 with 18" bar as that would cope with stuff up to 800mm diameter comfortably, and that husky with new chain on cutting 20cm beech 2-3 mins sounds like a right fart box of a saw and proberbly wants chucking in the bin as 2-3 mins is barmy get a better saw and you will more than likely do 3 times as much in the same time, and if you get a bigger saw and you say you have done your ground saw ticket but which one have you got ? the one day bassic home owner one or have you done the 5 day course cs30 31 ? every tree acts differently and when you come to dead dying and rotten trees be carfull as you may not get a second chance, hope this helps you out and stay safe.

i watched the first vid last night on youtube, if he is a pro at his job i will plat rocking horse shit, has not got much idea about severing wind blown nor when it comes to cutting the length off he looks like a bloke with zero expierance just read the comments posted on youtube , some of the other vids on youtube are nearly as pathetic as this one ,

got some of that on betamax, vhs and the double sided (where you got twice as much on one tape) video 2000, got one tape some where, porn one side, scott and charleans wedding on other but nowt to play it on these days.

late 90s while triming a hedge back to put a footing in for a wall, just stood up in the hedge was a set of old 12g barrels well rusted to the extent that they where pourous the lad whos job it was took them and cleaned the lump up and exposed a date stamp of 1871 i think he still has the lump,

urban tree guys ? yes could learn a lot of us forestry lads when it comes to wedging trees over, its not that long since i went to move some arb waste for a crew and what i watched for first 20 mins of being there was very entertaining for me, 3 young lads trying to get a 12-15 ft beech stalk over about 24-26" dia over with 2 5" wedges a claw hammer and a short felling bar, i stood and watched these guys sweating and arguing, then i asked them what they where trying to do,i asked one guy to cut some wedges out of the timber on the drive while i went back to my truck for a maul got back and had it over in about 2 mins, one lad said f--k me i wont forget that one,

hi all been using this a lot recently and saves me a lot of time and effort its a great help for me in my later years,

if your snapping the wooden insert on a high lift your not hitting it square on, i have never snapped one in 30 years but a lad who works with us now and then has snapped a few but then when you watch him swing a hammer its addvisable not to be with in about 50 mtrs of him as its hit, miss, miss , miss then hammer goes flying through the air ,