Making the news today....

[trigger_andy]

1 minute ago, Stubby said:

He knew that Andy ....

Others might not.

[Mark Bolam]

That’s a shame.

I was about to set some shops on fire and steal a TV and some expensive trainers.

[nepia]

3 hours ago, Mark Bolam said:

Jesus, I didn’t realise they shot him as well.

Lol.  What a tit!

 

Er - I meant the George Floyd thing 😆

[Johnsond]

Opinion | Biden is making the Trump presidency seem like a golden age of unity

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Just as Democrats redefined “infrastructure,” the president is now trying to redefine...

Not really a surprise. 

[Doug Tait]

17 hours ago, harvey b davison said:

What about the serving army officer the got pulled at a petrol station and got pepper sprayed despite trying to comply with two different set of instructions shouted at him ?

Hadn't heard of this but having watched the footage I can't see how the soldier was trying to comply.

 

He was told repeatedly to get out the car and chose to stay in it, with the doors locked, trying to discuss why he should get out and what his job is.

 

Wonder what the outcome would've been had he just got out when asked and answered their questions. 

[Lowestoft Firewood]

18 minutes ago, Doug Tait said:

Hadn't heard of this but having watched the footage I can't see how the soldier was trying to comply.

 

He was told repeatedly to get out the car and chose to stay in it, with the doors locked, trying to discuss why he should get out and what his job is.

 

Wonder what the outcome would've been had he just got out when asked and answered their questions. 

BLM, publicity, body cams he knew would be recording etc etc. Surely a soldier has to comply with police when they are in a civvy situation? Or whats the 'rules' around that?

[Doug Tait]

I'm fairly sure everyone is expected to comply with a direct instruction from a Police officer. Can't understand why so many don't, especially if you believe that you haven't broken the law 

[kevinjohnsonmbe]

3 hours ago, Doug Tait said:

'm fairly sure everyone is expected to comply with a direct instruction from a Police officer.

There is margin for ‘interpretation.’

 

Example you use the term “instruction” 

 

What is an “instruction?”  Is it a request or a direction, is it a lawful order?

 

if a request - it can be granted or rejected accordingly. similarly an “instruction”, what constitutes a lawful order is less well understood by BOTH the police (UK) and the public. 
 

The uniform and warrant card do not bestow unrestricted authority upon the constable to issue advice, expect requests to be complied with, hand out instructions - lawful orders are quite different. 
 

 

[Khriss]

4 hours ago, kevinjohnsonmbe said:

There is margin for ‘interpretation.’

 

Example you use the term “instruction” 

 

What is an “instruction?”  Is it a request or a direction, is it a lawful order?

 

if a request - it can be granted or rejected accordingly. similarly an “instruction”, what constitutes a lawful order is less well understood by BOTH the police (UK) and the public. 
 

The uniform and warrant card do not bestow unrestricted authority upon the constable to issue advice, expect requests to be complied with, hand out instructions - lawful orders are quite different. 
 

 

Indeed they dont, as this young man discovered.... Probably why the lieutenant did not want to get out of his truck. K

 

Met PC jailed for breaking man’s leg in ‘clear case of racial profiling’

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Carl Abrahams was leaving a cemetery with his sons when he was stopped by PC Charlie Harrison.

 

 

[Khriss]

8 hours ago, Doug Tait said:

I'm fairly sure everyone is expected to comply with a direct instruction from a Police officer. Can't understand why so many don't, especially if you believe that you haven't broken the law 

A read of Michael Mansfield QC autobiography would reveal why you dont. Oddly the Police can lie and fabricate evidence. I always get out of the  car and lock it, then we are eye level and can have the reason for the stop explained. K