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[the village idiot]

There's always a magic money tree for Trident.

 

Apparently it costs us £6.6 million A DAY!! That's more than Stumpy Grinder takes home.

 

One hopes they have considered all the options.

[Richard 1234]

There's always a magic money tree for Trident.

 

 

I'd rather we spent imaginary money on trident than benefit street. We find plenty for that too. Not sure on figures but is trident supposed to be £30 billion? To last 30 years?

If so it's a drop in an ocean compared to the welfare state.

 

 

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[eggsarascal]

I'd rather we spent imaginary money on trident than benefit street. We find plenty for that too. Not sure on figures but is trident supposed to be £30 billion? To last 30 years?

If so it's a drop in an ocean compared to the welfare state.

 

 

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Which is a drop in the ocean to what we pay land owners NOT to farm.

 

Why is it the little man that you seem to always have the problem with Richard?

[Mark J]

When we manage to stem the imaginary flow of money to the Cayman Islands we could split it 50/50.

[skyhuck]

I'd rather we spent imaginary money on trident than benefit street. We find plenty for that too. Not sure on figures but is trident supposed to be £30 billion? To last 30 years?

If so it's a drop in an ocean compared to the welfare state.

 

 

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I think its £75billion, but could be wrong.

[chuck norris]

When we manage to stem the imaginary flow of money to the Cayman Islands we could split it 50/50.

 

I think that is something that everyone can agree on

[WesD]

I dont think you can beat terrorism with an army , NI and Afghanistan are proof enough of that. Intellegence and a very small special forces team are all it took to put an end to Bin Laden, bombing the crap out of the place and years of military occupation failed miserably.

 

 

 

Bob

 

 

It was the years of military occupation and bombing the crap out of the place that put osama and sadam in hiding behind a vastly weakened army that allowed special forces to find and take them on with limited chances of dying in the process.

 

Some may say it took a lot of loss and conflict in Ireland before all parties wanted a peace process.

 

If a bully has free reign and no opposition he'll continue to bully if someone stands up to said bully and challenges him and puts him in his place they usually stop.

 

Skyhuck I love your guard dog post that really sums up what I am saying👍

[stihlmadasever]

To renew trident,renew the subs to carry them and maintain the weapons and subs throughout there lifetime till 2060 is 205 billion.

An approximate figure as we dont yet know what the yanks will charge us for the out of date system theyre giving us the pleasure off buying of them

Edited June 4, 2017 by stihlmadasever

[kevinjohnsonmbe]

Mind-bogglingly expensive, no doubt about that. And that goes a long way towards the question of should we / should't we.

 

Deployed submarine launch allows independent global deployment, surprise and the potential ability to launch after the home nation has suffered an attack - further enhancing the deterrent / uncertainty effect. You have to have minimum 4 subs, 1 deployed, 1 recovering from deployment, 1 preparing and 1 in deep maintenance. The early days of air launch via the RAF was a perfect con by the staffies at the Air Ministry - the aircraft lacked the range to deliver the cargo to most of the designated targets and resulted in the requirement for manpower increases to maintain security and operation of bases. It was a classic example of the RAF top brass being clererererer than the ARMY and Navy equivalents.

 

I forget who it was getting hung up about the "...but we'll never use it so it's a waste of time..." argument earlier (pre-shut down.) I'd suggest "use" and "usefulness" are perhaps better ways of thinking about it.

 

Nobody (sane) wants to USE it, but that doesn't mean it doesn't have a use.

 

It's also important to take the whole issue within the broader context of how and why it came into being. It would be my view that it has served a valuable purpose post WWII and through the Cold War period. It started to get out of control and was curtailed by the SALT treaties which provided a kind of 'balance' between the US / USSR.

 

The question of replacement of Trident kind of transcends the political divide - it's bigger than a single party issue and bigger than a single term of government.

 

I'm kind of relieved that the decision has been made to replace - albeit (along with the carriers) at the expense of more conventional forces.

 

We live in uncertain times today and certainly don't know what the future holds. Whilst we might all desire global peace and stability, i think we are better to walk quietly and carry a big stick.

 

Chairman Corbyn's obvious and declared inability to say he would be prepared to press the button if necessary kind of undermines the usefulness of the system.

 

In my book, having it (and we are going to despite what he might want) and not being prepared to say you'd use it (even if you don't really mean it) rather undermines the usefulness and illustrates how singly out of touch with reality the man is.

 

Nobody wants it, nobody wants to use it, but it's here. Having it and telling everyone you wouldn't use it is even more insane than having it.

 

All of that said, I wish we were in a different place and we didn't have it. We're not there yet though.

[Richard 1234]

Which is a drop in the ocean to what we pay land owners NOT to farm.

 

 

 

Why is it the little man that you seem to always have the problem with Richard?

 

 

That's not true. Look how much the welfare state costs us.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2013/jan/08/uk-benefit-welfare-spending

 

Compared to £58 a year EU wide on CAP.

 

 

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/13/what-would-brexit-mean-for-farmers-and-the-common-agricultural-p/amp/

 

I'm not against the "little man" I just think he should be trying to help himself instead of getting others to do it for him (unions etc)

 

Your scenario of waiting for parts fits this perfectly. Why not drive and collect the stuff instead?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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