Lockdown - has it totally failed?

[Squaredy]

The UK is currently the second worst hit country for Covid 19, and Sweden is well down the list.  Anyone know who is worst hit?  Ignoring micro states by the way as SAN Marino is the worst hit overall.

[Stere]

How are you guaging worse hit  ?

 

If its deaths per million both Sweden and Uk are high up  Belguim is  the worse

 

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Sweden is alot worse than Norway Demark or Finland prob  due to there lockdown policy.

[Stubby]

22 minutes ago, Khriss said:

( i have Not bought toilet roll since and now may never) 

Do you have a barn full then Khriss ? ?

[Big J]

44 minutes ago, Stere said:

How are you guaging worse hit  ?

 

If its deaths per million both Sweden and Uk are high up  Belguim is  the worse

 

Coronavirus Update (Live): 5,516,467 Cases and 346,917 Deaths from COVID-19 Virus Pandemic - Worldometer

WWW.WORLDOMETERS.INFO

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Live statistics and coronavirus news tracking the number of confirmed cases, recovered patients, tests, and death toll...

 

Sweden is alot worse than Norway Demark or Finland prob  due to there lockdown policy.

Interestingly, antibody testing suggests only 7.3% of people in Stockholm have had Covid 19. 

 

How is it London has seen a 17% infection rate with full lockdown whereas Stockholm has had less than half of that with minimal restrictions? 

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/05/21/health/sweden-herd-immunity-coronavirus-intl/index.html

[difflock]

Lies, dammned lies, and statistics!

Which specially as said statistics are being bandied about by professional liars, aka Politicans, does leave one mare than a touch disbelieving.

[Squaredy]

1 hour ago, Stere said:

How are you guaging worse hit  ?

 

If its deaths per million both Sweden and Uk are high up  Belguim is  the worse

 

Coronavirus Update (Live): 5,516,467 Cases and 346,917 Deaths from COVID-19 Virus Pandemic - Worldometer

WWW.WORLDOMETERS.INFO

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Live statistics and coronavirus news tracking the number of confirmed cases, recovered patients, tests, and death toll...

 

Sweden is alot worse than Norway Demark or Finland prob  due to there lockdown policy.

Yes indeed that is what I found out also, Belgium is by far the worst.  Interesting that the press all seeing to be saying Sweden is now higher than UK.  

 

Sweden is just under half the number of deaths per million population compared to Belgium.  Still not good, but much better than UK (and much better than Spain, France and Italy), despite the press.

 

Sweden overtakes UK with highest coronavirus death rate per capita -did they get it wrong? | World | News | Express.co.uk

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SWEDEN has overtaken the UK, Italy and Belgium to record the highest coronavirus per capita death rate in the world.

 

[Mark J]

 

A canny piece by a seemingly decent politician:

 

Jamie Driscoll, North of Tyne Mayor

 

· Yesterday ·

 

 

 

Getting dressed after the shower, Leon sidles up to me, "Daddy my cwayon has bwoke." The boys were three and one at the time.

"Oh dear, how’d you do that, son?"

"It bwoke on the wall."

A dash downstairs found Nelson in full Neolithic cave-art mode. Navy blue Crayloa on magnolia emulsion. Celtic swirls decorating the wall on the stairs.

Crayons confiscated, boys sternly told of the seriousness of their actions. Then a courtroom drama in which Nelson introduces the plot twist, “No! I not naughty, you naughty!”

That was ten years ago, and I remember it like it was yesterday. Toddlers are cute. Nature has programmed us to think so.

Dominic Cummings is not a toddler. Neither are cabinet ministers. They have the power to fine you if you break the lockdown. They can decide to charge you for using the NHS. They also have the codes to Britain’s nuclear arsenal. They are millionaires.

The scandal isn’t that a career psychopath broke the rules (David Cameron’s description of Cummings). The scandal is that the entire cabinet is being wheeled out to defend him. Every other public official caught breaking the law had to resign for potentially spreading a fatal disease.

Cabinet Office Minister Michael Gove, Health Secretary Matt Hancock, Transport Secretary Grant Shapps, Leader of the House Jacob Rees Mogg, and Foreign Sec and deputy PM Dominic Raab among them. All following the no 10 script.

In two hours they all used the words "care" and "child" in their tweets. Almost as if a single press officer had written them. (Then dutifully retweeted by the BBC's Laura Kuenssberg.)

Chancellor Rishi Sunak's was the most toddleresque - accusing people of "trying to score political points" - I not naughty, you naughty!

It’s total bull, of course. Cummings doesn’t think rules apply to him. He thinks everyone else is too stupid to have an opinion. He says so in his blog. Worse still, their story isn't straight. Eye witnesses and the police have disproven them. Toddler excuses and toddler lies.

The science of psychology has proven that toddlers have no 'theory of mind'. Simply, they are not capable of realising that we might have different beliefs and opinions from them. We forgive toddlers because we know they will grow up.

With the Cabinet, we all knew they were lying. They knew they were lying. Why did they think they could get away with it? We've seen a catalogue of errors and lies about the handling of this crisis. When we look at the catalogue of failures we can see why. The worst death rate in Europe. Bungled PPE deliveries. Testing regimes not in place. Deciding to quarantine air passengers eight weeks after imposing a lockdown. We been misled on PPE. On testing. On statistics. On what the science said. So why stop there? In for a penny, in for a pound. After all, it worked when they deceived the Queen on proroguing Parliament.

They no longer tell you what’s true. They tell you what’s plausible. Most people think propaganda is about spin & exaggeration. It often was. But emboldened by Trump, some realised that a complete fiction was more effective. Sure, some serious people would never believe you again. But they’d never vote for you anyway.

Hannah Arendt, philosopher who escaped from Nazi Germany, wrote, "The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction no longer exist.”

Far better to make it a slanging match. To destroy truth altogether. When people start thinking everybody lies, they’ll go along with the loudest voice or the funniest clown.

There’s a platitude in politics that we’re all trying to do good, just we have different views of how to get there. It's not really true - there are many different visions of the world we want to see. Grown-up politicians are comfortable debating it, based on evidence and values.

Not all the Tories are toddlers. I deal with some who, in a private conversation, will admit things are not going as planned. It’s much less adversarial than you might think. Being in government is hard work. I approach these meetings trying to find solutions, and they’re glad of a break from conflict. There’s not many of them left, mind. Most of the dissenting voices were sacked in BJ’s temper tantrum last August.

I'm writing this on Sunday morning. By the time it's published, Cummings may have been axed. There’s normally no hesitation in throwing an advisor or two under the bus to save a PM or minister’s hide. So either DC has some serious dirt on BJ’s inner circle, or they’re terrified that one admission of failure will lead to a torrent.

Here’s a challenge to any of our North East Conservative politicians. Show us you’re grown-ups. Tell the truth. Call out your cabinet ministers who lied and wriggled to defend Cummings. Ask for a public apology. Show us there's an alternative to government by toddler.

Published in the Journal and Evening Chronicle 25.5.20

 

 

 

 

[timbernut]

[Khriss]

3 hours ago, Stubby said:

Do you have a barn full then Khriss ? ?

Yr not going in my barn Mr Stubby !! Full, but not with bog roll... Endless machinery n crap of all description.  K

[Khriss]

1 hour ago, Mark J said:

 

A canny piece by a seemingly decent politician:

 

Jamie Driscoll, North of Tyne Mayor

 

· Yesterday ·

 

 

 

Getting dressed after the shower, Leon sidles up to me, "Daddy my cwayon has bwoke." The boys were three and one at the time.

"Oh dear, how’d you do that, son?"

"It bwoke on the wall."

A dash downstairs found Nelson in full Neolithic cave-art mode. Navy blue Crayloa on magnolia emulsion. Celtic swirls decorating the wall on the stairs.

Crayons confiscated, boys sternly told of the seriousness of their actions. Then a courtroom drama in which Nelson introduces the plot twist, “No! I not naughty, you naughty!”

That was ten years ago, and I remember it like it was yesterday. Toddlers are cute. Nature has programmed us to think so.

Dominic Cummings is not a toddler. Neither are cabinet ministers. They have the power to fine you if you break the lockdown. They can decide to charge you for using the NHS. They also have the codes to Britain’s nuclear arsenal. They are millionaires.

The scandal isn’t that a career psychopath broke the rules (David Cameron’s description of Cummings). The scandal is that the entire cabinet is being wheeled out to defend him. Every other public official caught breaking the law had to resign for potentially spreading a fatal disease.

Cabinet Office Minister Michael Gove, Health Secretary Matt Hancock, Transport Secretary Grant Shapps, Leader of the House Jacob Rees Mogg, and Foreign Sec and deputy PM Dominic Raab among them. All following the no 10 script.

In two hours they all used the words "care" and "child" in their tweets. Almost as if a single press officer had written them. (Then dutifully retweeted by the BBC's Laura Kuenssberg.)

Chancellor Rishi Sunak's was the most toddleresque - accusing people of "trying to score political points" - I not naughty, you naughty!

It’s total bull, of course. Cummings doesn’t think rules apply to him. He thinks everyone else is too stupid to have an opinion. He says so in his blog. Worse still, their story isn't straight. Eye witnesses and the police have disproven them. Toddler excuses and toddler lies.

The science of psychology has proven that toddlers have no 'theory of mind'. Simply, they are not capable of realising that we might have different beliefs and opinions from them. We forgive toddlers because we know they will grow up.

With the Cabinet, we all knew they were lying. They knew they were lying. Why did they think they could get away with it? We've seen a catalogue of errors and lies about the handling of this crisis. When we look at the catalogue of failures we can see why. The worst death rate in Europe. Bungled PPE deliveries. Testing regimes not in place. Deciding to quarantine air passengers eight weeks after imposing a lockdown. We been misled on PPE. On testing. On statistics. On what the science said. So why stop there? In for a penny, in for a pound. After all, it worked when they deceived the Queen on proroguing Parliament.

They no longer tell you what’s true. They tell you what’s plausible. Most people think propaganda is about spin & exaggeration. It often was. But emboldened by Trump, some realised that a complete fiction was more effective. Sure, some serious people would never believe you again. But they’d never vote for you anyway.

Hannah Arendt, philosopher who escaped from Nazi Germany, wrote, "The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction no longer exist.”

Far better to make it a slanging match. To destroy truth altogether. When people start thinking everybody lies, they’ll go along with the loudest voice or the funniest clown.

There’s a platitude in politics that we’re all trying to do good, just we have different views of how to get there. It's not really true - there are many different visions of the world we want to see. Grown-up politicians are comfortable debating it, based on evidence and values.

Not all the Tories are toddlers. I deal with some who, in a private conversation, will admit things are not going as planned. It’s much less adversarial than you might think. Being in government is hard work. I approach these meetings trying to find solutions, and they’re glad of a break from conflict. There’s not many of them left, mind. Most of the dissenting voices were sacked in BJ’s temper tantrum last August.

I'm writing this on Sunday morning. By the time it's published, Cummings may have been axed. There’s normally no hesitation in throwing an advisor or two under the bus to save a PM or minister’s hide. So either DC has some serious dirt on BJ’s inner circle, or they’re terrified that one admission of failure will lead to a torrent.

Here’s a challenge to any of our North East Conservative politicians. Show us you’re grown-ups. Tell the truth. Call out your cabinet ministers who lied and wriggled to defend Cummings. Ask for a public apology. Show us there's an alternative to government by toddler.

Published in the Journal and Evening Chronicle 25.5.20

 

 

 

 

Asmall point, we do not have the launch codes to Trident...... Trump has... Recall some documentary on missile boat and the British Commander made that clear.   K