MattyF

That about rights off it off on my risk assessment for working off two ropes on most trees as you say there are times and places to do so and most of us with any sense will and have been , but thanks for showing as I missed this first glance through.

Absolutely spot on .. I wonder what it would take to get this reversed ? This is going to make tree work even more dangerous not safer.. does any one know how to start online petitions this needs to be reversed as I’m sure a good % of the people in Arb are not parasites... I recon 90% of tree workers get this is a mental idea.

Wish I had left 5 years ago .. quite clear the Arb association doesn’t care for the small man in tree work , this is really making me wonder why we sponsor them... I am thinking of cancelling any future work shops we had been considering and I enjoyed the last, but this is seriously making me re think.

Won’t be able to now mark with 3 ropes in a tree... but for the record I have melted ocean polyester. Armour Prus is almost unglaze able in comparison.

There is also no mention of the time span for the accident data collected , can that be made public too. Your two accidents saved by having ropes correlates with 2016-17 so my point is are the others over a year or a decade ?

All of those accidents apart from the crane one which No crane company will let you ride the ball so should not of happened and the idiots who ran out of rope could of been avoided by using two strops.. I do climb on two ropes where it’s necessary and safe but this is a fucking joke!

Off topic but how long will we be waiting for a new husky 90cc saw Andrew ?

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I can be wrong but using a FISA approved assessor is only relevant for ground based chainsaw operators bill if your contracting to the FC and the likes ... they don’t seem bothered for Ariel work

Why I have not used a crane in a long time! Did try and book in a job last year ..given a choice but they then insisted it went to contract lift as they would not take the risk ... and they wanted a full on road closure which would of been a few more k .

The smaller tajfuns of around 4-6 t will out pull the uniforest and iglands .. you can easily pick up up an old fransguard or farmi often for around £800 off eBay .. easy to work on and use but older and capable machines lacking in a few refinements often including safety that a newer winch will have.

Im not trying to offend any one but I’m still in complete disbelief that the power in this industry thinks this is a good idea still.. you obviously have not read the last 7 pages of this thread.. To summarise, do you really think the average climber has the skill set of the people like Ben rose who are demonstrating these systems ? They probably account for about 3-5% of the industry’s climbers... even so called Arb approved contractors I’ve seen struggle with a basic Prussik loop DDRT system and basic rope management, what do you think is going to happen when they are presented with this ? you will be creating more incidents in a tree trying to enforce this clusterfuck off ropes and trying to manage them .. that is guaranteed ! please wake up and try and do some thing useful this is not the common reason why they incidents are happening in the industry, over worked , poor pay ,lack of apprenticeships and bad training need addressing first.

You do need to reproof any breathable water proof , cut n climb and the pfanner I add this and they are good to go.

Oh and get the radio control as well , just don’t forgot to keep an eye on the tractor... would be easy to flip it if you get hung up extracting and can’t see the pulling end !

Tajfun make good winches at a fair price and any issues killworth Machinary are great to deal with,we have an 8tonne , make sure you get hydraulic out feed though ,those cables are heavy !

Pilatus ain’t a bad boot either , best value boot on the market , must be coming up a year and wearing well whilst in the usual price range and still cheaper than some of the other favourites. Had a 3 pairs of zermats and rate them , they are a bit heavy though but bomb proof, do prefer the pilatus though.

Thing is when do you see mature oaks thin ? When they are declining and retrenching them self.. trees do not thin them selfs naturally, and if you say oh what’s dead wood I can think of three mature pines and cedars that I have spent a lot of time on removing every single bit of dead on , transforming the tree and the client has been very happy .. until within 12 months there has been a strong wind and catastrophic failure from a none defective limb has occurred because by even removing dead wood you have changed the crown dynamics just like thinning. I have one tree booked in for a thin in the next 3 months , a mature Norway maple , a large co Dominant included secondary limb reduced by 15% and the rest of the crown thinned by 5/10 % and this will be tip thinning and epiccormic ,ie lumps and bumps out of the crown , We will be leaving any large crossing branches unless it’s defective... and the only reason this is being done is because a large beech is being removed and the client does not want an overall reduction on the remaining tree. Thinning has its places in tree care but it’s very small in my view, if you identify defects on a tree usually the last thing I would recommend would be a thin.

Thinning plantations and formative pruning are not really the same thing, please explain how tip thinning causes lion tailing ? Lion tailing is caused by Arb’s given a spec and not been arsed to do a proper job because it’s easier to swing a saw around the bottom of the canopy let a load of light in and go home, I would take great care never to thin a crown reduction. Edward ,you answered your own question to me in your post.

Any unnecessary pruning is not good end of... I have thinned trees on regimes for years and seen the overall outcome over decades , leave nature alone , trees haven’t evolved over millions of years because in the last 100 years apparent arborists think they are structural engineers.. almost any problem in an environment with trees can be traced back to unnecessary pruning.

Is an Apple or buddleia any thing like a mature oak tree?

Don’t believe in thinning trees full stop unless it’s tip thinning , I’ve seen too many lions tailed and too many done badly the only time you see a thinning tree is when it’s sick ...also your creating wind tunnels and more leverage on limbs generally with thinning ,nothing wrong with any reduction if it’s done well and there is a valid reason.

That’s why most of these videos are utter wank and nothing at all unless the saws being tested are using the same bar and chain and even then an operator who knows the power bands on the saw can use it to the advantage of cutting faster. Take a saw time it doing 10 cuts then mod it and time it doing another 10 cuts with the exact same bar and chain is the only way to prove the gains.

I bet when you came back in the morning they had been standing in the ashes all night? They love that.

I think it depends on the theif , I think if your being targeted and they know what they want they will have the gear to find trackers and deactivate them.. for an opportunist theft it would be worth the investment.. often you hear of stuff being stolen and ditched in a hedge or wood and then found. Those kind of thieves I would recon are easily put off though by a few layers any way.

Reported one chipper within 30 mins of it being stolen to the tracker company thinking yes this is it we have them... never to be seen again so I would not get another... unless it seriously off set insurance and was worth it for that benefit but I have no faith in them.