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[Youngstu]

3 minutes ago, Johnsond said:

I do hold strong views on it whenever use of NHS money is being promoted and used to as the article describes potentially ruin children’s lives. I’ll ask you a question did you know what you truly wanted to be or do before in this case puberty ???. 
So as you are one of the follow the science advocates on here for the past 18 months can you tell me that a male can be a female or a female a male after a surgical procedure ??. 

With regards yo the use of NHS funds, it's a difficult one and a case of weighing up the pros and cons of carrying out procedures. Do you take account of a child's strongly beld feelings and "beliefs" about how they feel, or dismiss them and tell the child that they're too young to know what they think or feel. From what I understand the decisions aren't made lightly or quickly and certainly shouldn't be as highlighted in the case currently in the news, but in pre-pubescent children there is an understandable reason for using those drugs sooner rather than later. If that child's wishes are denied and their feelings/beliefs continue, the cost to the NHS etc as a consequence of subsequent mental health issues could be much higher. Obviously they may change their mind in some cases, but they may well continue to hold the same feelings. 

Regarding the whole science thing, a male child with X and Y chromosomes will always have those chromosomes, will never be able to have a womb and will never be able to get pregnant. So I suppose you could say they will never be genetically female. However they may wish to be regarded and treated as a woman. Is that last big wrong and should her wishes as such be respected? 

[Johnsond]

1 minute ago, Youngstu said:

With regards yo the use of NHS funds, it's a difficult one and a case of weighing up the pros and cons of carrying out procedures. Do you take account of a child's strongly beld feelings and "beliefs" about how they feel, or dismiss them and tell the child that they're too young to know what they think or feel. From what I understand the decisions aren't made lightly or quickly and certainly shouldn't be as highlighted in the case currently in the news, but in pre-pubescent children there is an understandable reason for using those drugs sooner rather than later. If that child's wishes are denied and their feelings/beliefs continue, the cost to the NHS etc as a consequence of subsequent mental health issues could be much higher. Obviously they may change their mind in some cases, but they may well continue to hold the same feelings. 

Regarding the whole science thing, a male child with X and Y chromosomes will always have those chromosomes, will never be able to have a womb and will never be able to get pregnant. So I suppose you could say they will never be genetically female. However they may wish to be regarded and treated as a woman. Is that last big wrong and should her wishes as such be respected? 

Thing is Stu with woke fruitcakes like yourself enough is never enough, I find it had to disagree with any of HBDs post. I’ve no gripes with gay individuals or indeed if you actually  want to wear a dress or are in fact a woman called Stu. But NHS funding this madness 🤷‍♂️ It’s just insane. Myself yes I’d love a full head of hair and to look like Brad Pitt but alas that’s not the cards I’ve been dealt. Should I go to NHS and say I’ve mental health problems and need a few procedures and a hair transplant 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️Some may do and I think that’s as wrong as what we are describing here. Deal with what life has dealt you how I was brought up. NHS is not a bottomless pit of money. 

[difflock]

My take on this is that is simply not right to allow anyone to decide so young that they need gender "reassignment", what will they want to be in another couple of years?

When they change their minnds, and Vicky yes but no but yes but no Pollard springs to mind

Never mind some of the fruitcake "parents" encouraging such nonsense.

And the nutcases running some of the "enabling" charities.

Both aided and abetted by the newspapers and TV, with the oxygen of publicty.

And tought-not-sorry but the "if you dont do what I want I will kill myself" manipulation is fornicating the system up for the few with genuine problems.

aka "the boy who cried wolf".

etc

etc

etc

the NHS is truely fornicating fornicated.

P.S.

The wife was just telling me about some young female athelete who damaged an ankle beyond repair, rendering her uncompetetive, she wanted the NHS to amputate the still servicable limb, and fit a blade or prosthetic, so that she could compete(and win) in the Paraolympics!

F.F.S!

Thank God they refused.

 

Edited September 17, 2021 by difflock

[daveatdave]

1 hour ago, Youngstu said:

Ok, I'll try one more "what if scenario" and see if you'll give a straight answer...

 

If a good friend of yours had a son, who for example at the age of 12 made it clear that they wanted to "present" as a girl and be regarded as such by everybody and the family respected this wish, accepted the name change, their choice of clothing etc.

 

Would you be willing to refer to them as she, use their chosen name etc, or would you refuse to do so, sticking to your principles and beliefs and insist on calling them a boy, using their original male given name etc, even though their family asked you to follow the child's wishes?  

there was a 6 year old boy his mother changed his name and dressed him in girls clothes told the school of her decision and threatened them with prosecution if they did not do what she wanted 

i do not think a 6 year old has the faintest idea about gender i think its down to the parents 

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[doobin]

On 17/09/2021 at 20:48, Rough Hewn said:

Shades of grey my friends…
I’ve lived and worked in Brighton for years… worked with transgenders.
They mostly just want to be accepted not vilified.

We're missing the 'barf' like icon

[kevinjohnsonmbe]

[openspaceman]

10 hours ago, kevinjohnsonmbe said:

I don't want to see Scotland leave the UK but I have no problem with fining someone for littering and only giving a warning for possession for personal use, drug problems need addressing not punishing.

[kevinjohnsonmbe]

1 minute ago, openspaceman said:

I don't want to see Scotland leave the UK but I have no problem with fining someone for littering and only giving a warning for possession for personal use, drug problems need addressing not punishing.

I know - it was a cheap dig - but any chance to have a pop at SNP must be exploited 😂

 

Its fair to say the drugs misuse / addiction counter measures currently in place are ineffective. 
 

Having a ‘law’ that is widely ignored by (apparently) such a large portion of a society generally indicates that the ‘law’ is wholly inappropriate. 
 

I wouldn’t suggest decriminalisation is the answer - certainly not in isolation. And legalisation also has consequences - legalised supply of pharma produced product really will lead to a zombie nation. 
 

What is the answer?

 

Just say no....