Overloaded

[difflock]

59 minutes ago, Justme said:

Nose weight / static load. Same thing.

 

Get it wrong and you will be unstable during the times you are not braking ie the biggest part of the drive.

Well I knew that!

BUT,

I choose the more pragamatic "level" loaded trailer/tug stance, ALWAYS assuming the empty trailer hitch height was correctly matched to the 50mm vehicle towball coupling, you know, like the exercise of uncommon good sense.

Also what percentage of nose-weight is lost due to atmospheric drag on a bluff trailer shape, or bluff shaped high load on the trailer?

And as stated, despite "expert" opinions to the contrary, my farmers Son eye-ball loading worked perfectly when loading and towing a high bluff load of a measured 3300Kg some 400 miles.

I did not exceed 50mph and even then worked my way up to 50, having sat at 40mph  for a few miles, until I was satisfied with the stability and handling, and then checking and fractionally tightening my tie-downs .

regards

Marcus

[Justme]

6 minutes ago, difflock said:

Well I knew that!

BUT,

I choose the more pragamatic "level" loaded trailer/tug stance, ALWAYS assuming the empty trailer hitch height was correctly matched to the 50mm vehicle towball coupling, you know, like the exercise of uncommon good sense.

Also what percentage of nose-weight is lost due to atmospheric drag on a bluff trailer shape, or bluff shaped high load on the trailer?

And as stated, despite "expert" opinions to the contrary, my farmers Son eye-ball loading worked perfectly when loading and towing a high bluff load of a measured 3300Kg some 400 miles.

I did not exceed 50mph and even then worked my way up to 50, having sat at 40mph  for a few miles, until I was satisfied with the stability and handling, and then checking and fractionally tightening my tie-downs .

regards

Marcus

Ah the old "I am a farmer" so I know better approach.

Accidents in the farming industry say otherwise & its time farmers in general took more notice of safety & safe working / best practice.

 

Looking at most farm vehicles whilst towing & they are clearly overloaded, excessive nose weight, mostly insecure loads with lots having no working lights and no number plate. Hardly a beacon of excellence to stand behind.

 

Not all vehicle trailer and load combo's will be level when correct.

Adjusting nose load is not to be level.

 

Caravans tend to run slightly nose down, which is much better than slightly nose up.

 

Towballs and hitches should be between the spec but that's when fully loaded. Pickups and 4x4 tend to be far to high if not fully loaded.

 

[kkk2]

Here is a link to a nose weight demo which shows the effects very well

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2fkOVHAC8Q

[Rough Hewn]

Fascinating stuff.
[emoji106]

[wicklamulla]

I hafta say some farmers round 'ere are downright lunatics when it comes to trailer loading and two in particular that i know very well are the opposite and appear to do thing right.  

 

@difflock   your common sense approach sounds aok to me and i try and operate the same way.  A'int Wickla lovely though ?

[difflock]

2 hours ago, wicklamulla said:

I hafta say some farmers round 'ere are downright lunatics when it comes to trailer loading and two in particular that i know very well are the opposite and appear to do thing right.  

 

@difflock   your common sense approach sounds aok to me and i try and operate the same way.  A'int Wickla lovely though ?

As in most human populations, farmers will fit the classic "bell curve";

 a small %age are effectively "stupid", sub IQ of 84 I believe

the bulk are then sub/plus 100 IQ(15 points each side I believe)

and a small %age got more than their share fair share of smarts.

This is reflected in how they load their vehicles and choose to drive.

Based on my 45 years of wryful observation.

I would say this also applies to most other trades, assuming these trades have sufficiently large populations for such statistical analysis to be applied.

Tough, but true.

[william127]

On 22/11/2019 at 08:29, GA Groundcare said:

Think that why I like them, basic but a good reliable trailer. Yes some of the Brian James and other brands are a bit more fancy but I like the fact that running an Ifor there is many trailer centres around the country that if you had an issue when far from base you could swing in and pick up parts to get yourself going.

 

Always been taught from a young age (certainly not when I did my trailer license) to get your speed down prior to a descent. Always have room to comfortably / safely accelerate if required. I was overtaken down hill on a dual carriageway this week by a builder in a Ford Ranger with a 16ft flat bed loaded right up with timber. They must of been going 75mph + as I was doing 55-60mph. Modern pick ups can give a false sense of trailer safety.

Some good points there. The only trailer I've seen to tempt me away from an ifor was a nugent plant trailer that the owner assured me had been fine for 100 miles behind a disco 4 with a 5 ton digger on!! ???

 

I can certainly don't remember learning anything of use on my trailer test, other than a handy reminder of basic highway code stuff! Nothing about safe Hill climbs or decesnts.

 

When I tow heavy stuff with my Puma 110, D3 or D2, I've found that I tend to go slightly quicker up the hills on the motorway than down, as theyve had the power to keep it accelerating, then going slower on the way down to stop building up too much speed. Seems like common sense to me but I often find myself getting overtaken on the downhills..... 

 

[Peasgood]

[Wedgebanger]

Where is that taken ?

What’s that oak weight . 5 or 6t ??'s 

 

i guess they will need some assistance ??

 

i wonder if if the cops will have it removed off the road..

Edited November 26, 2019 by Wedgebanger

[skyhuck]

52 minutes ago, Wedgebanger said:

Where is that taken ?

What’s that oak weight . 5 or 6t ??'s 

 

i guess they will need some assistance ??

 

i wonder if if the cops will have it removed off the road..

Pretty sure that’s Pop, probably just a cunning plan to get shut?