Face coverings

[Billhook]

On 22/07/2020 at 00:08, Macpherson said:

Call me a conspiracist  if you like, but to me the general public have never been so feckin clueless...It's lowest common denominator everything these days, it's not really debatable how this scenario plays out as it's been repeated throughout history and forgotten....cause divisions in society and while they're all arguing the toss.. the real plan goes on in the background.

 

To me it's a long play game that's only become possible with the advent of IT. 

 Before the corrupt could only dream of this kind of influence and power,  but nowadays ?? !!!

 

So to me,  possibly.....  Phase 1, the credit crunch, financial instability...

                                         Phase 2, fear, test to see how much / far folk will accept being pushed / herded..

                                         Phase 3,  anyone got any ideas ?

 

Ok, I'll start, what about 1984 forty years late, that's gonna be one of the ' benefits ' of 5G,  or what about if anyone who won't take a vaccine has to sow a yellow star on their jacket........But none of that really matters as long as you can download netflix faster ?

 

I'll take the normality of 1972 over this shite anyday.

!984 should be compulsory reading in all schools.

We are well on our way there with Newspeak, Thoughtcrime, Big Brother etc. and remember the protagonist  Winston Smith, whose job it was to re-write history and erase all evidence of someone who has been no platformed

It is a great way to control people to use fear.  People scare so easily,  just look at how a supermarket used to be emptied of bread when there was a touch of snow.

The Romans used to keep order by saying that the Carthaginians were about to invade even though there was never any evidence that it was the case.  "You need us to protect you"

[Stere]

PHE may still be an under estimate overall as ONS figures are higher

 

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The most recent excess figures data published by the Office of National Statistics (ONS) show that there have been 53,979 “excess deaths” in England and Wales in 2020 so far – that is, the number of people who have died this year over and above the average for the last five years.

 

Of the deaths registered by July 3, 50,548 of them mentioned Covid-19 on the death certificate, accounting for almost 15% of all deaths registered in 2020. 

Yet the overall number of coronavirus deaths recorded by the Department of Health and Social Care (DHSC), which incorporates the PHE statistics that we now know to be affected by this statistical anomaly, currently stands at 45,119 for the entire UK – more than 8,000 lower than the ONS figures that cover just England and Wales. 

Of course, the PHE figures account for only England, while the ONS ones cover both England and Wales. According to Public Health Wales there have been 1,545 Covid-19 deaths in the country recorded since the start of the pandemic. Like Scotland and Northern Ireland, Wales also uses a 28-day cut-off period. 

 

It means that while the PHE figures are obviously problematic – and as the year continues they will become more unreliable due to the increased likelihood of someone dying of an unrelated cause after testing positive for Covid-19 – they don’t mean that we’ve actually had a lower number of deaths than published by the government.

 

[Macpherson]

4 hours ago, Stere said:

PHE may still be an under estimate overall as ONS figures are higher

 

Yeah, the more conflicting the figures, the more the confusion...  it's probably already too late for anyone to work out the truth.

To me the very fact that there have been these massive discrepancies right from the beginning in an issue as serious as this can only point to the fact that it's a deliberate tactic.

 

As someone once said.....

 

" when they own the information, they can bend it all they want "

 

[Jack.P]

Went down the town for some bits earlier and not very comfortable at all  to spend any length of time shopping with a mask on so just got bare esssentials and got out ASAP.shops not as busy like normal  but cafes with dining are full as the rules don’t apply. All a bit daft really.borris missed the boat on this one .should have thought about such rules months ago whilst in the height of the pandemic 

 

 

[kevinjohnsonmbe]

3 hours ago, Jack.P said:

Went down the town for some bits earlier and not very comfortable at all  to spend any length of time shopping with a mask on so just got bare esssentials and got out ASAP.shops not as busy like normal  but cafes with dining are full as the rules don’t apply. All a bit daft really.borris missed the boat on this one .should have thought about such rules months ago whilst in the height of the pandemic 

 

 

There’s a complete lack of credibility associated with this. 
 

Go to Waitrose for groceries and you’re expected to wear a face covering whilst staff don’t, and if you’re having a sit down snack you don’t need to, but if you’re buying a sandwich to take out you do....

 

WHO guidance changed 5 June (but still didn’t make a conclusive case) and dotgov “guidance” didn’t change until 24 Jul. 
 

There’s just no credibility in it and listening to the talking heads trying to justify it is laughable. 
 

This is a balls up! 

[GWYNFIL]

A virus so deadly you have to tested so you know you have it. Sorry if you disagree or have lost a loved one but i will not be partaking in this ! No mask for me. Quite prepared to avoid places who in force this. There has been to many mistakes and misinformation  and lies to be anything other than an agenda agenda 21/30 google it First and last word on the subject.

 

[Stere]

googled it

 

Far right-wing groups, including the John Birch Society, assert that Agenda 21 is part of a scheme using environmental protection as a cover to impose a worldwide dictatorship.

 

Better join the the welsh branch of the boogloo ?

[Mesterh]

Stop crying over nothing ffs. I've been out shopping today, I wore a face covering along with everyone else and didn't see anyone having a strop, I then went home. 

It couldn't be much simpler.

 

Have a quick think of why you don't need to wear a mask while eating or drinking, then think is it better to move the economy along or not. If you want the economy to kick start then you need to accept the current guidelines. It's not rocket science.

 

 

[eggsarascal]

9 minutes ago, Mesterh said:

Stop crying over nothing ffs. I've been out shopping today, I wore a face covering along with everyone else and didn't see anyone having a strop, I then went home. 

It couldn't be much simpler.

 

Have a quick think of why you don't need to wear a mask while eating or drinking, then think is it better to move the economy along or not. If you want the economy to kick start then you need to accept the current guidelines. It's not rocket science.

 

 

Everyone else? I'm in the Staffordshire moorlands ATM, I've been into Leek (market town) today, I'd say it was about 50-50 on people wearing masks. I have got a couple but I won't be wearing them unless I'm asked to.

 

I did wear one when asked at the bakers, I was fiddling/adjusting the bleeding thing all the time, touching my face, which I believe isn't a good idea.

 

Personaly I think it's a croc, but if I have wear one to purchase what I need so be it.

[Mesterh]

11 minutes ago, eggsarascal said:

Everyone else? I'm in the Staffordshire moorlands ATM, I've been into Leek (market town) today, I'd say it was about 50-50 on people wearing masks. I have got a couple but I won't be wearing them unless I'm asked to.

 

I did wear one when asked at the bakers, I was fiddling/adjusting the bleeding thing all the time, touching my face, which I believe isn't a good idea.

 

Personaly I think it's a croc, but if I have wear one to purchase what I need so be it.

Just put it on and dont mess with it. Transmission through touching things then yourself is extremely low, so I would worry less about fiddling with your mask than actually wearing it.

 

The whole point of a face covering is to stop the wearing transmitting the virus to others, if we all wore them when in close proximity to others then the R rate would drop which would help us all in resuming business as usual quicker, which I guess most of us on here would like to see.

I think wearing a face mask is a self conscious thing more than anything else as it doesnt feel natural thats for sure! 

I'm hoping that if we all do our bit then the economy can get moving quicker rather than see a lot of local lockdowns which will happen if there are spikes. 

 

I was speaking to a local neighbour today whos Mrs had it back in late Jan (late 30's), he didnt get it or his son but she now has high blood pressure as a result so its not all about catching it and surviving it is also about the long term affects. She was only ill for a couple of days with no cough but flu like symptoms.