Climate change anyone?

[openspaceman]

10 minutes ago, Big J said:

I don't dispute that there are some unpleasant things in the off-gassing, but in the scheme of things I feel its better than putting it out to recycling/landfill. Nappies for instance , reduce to almost nothing when incinerated. By being able to burn some of our waste, it reduces our overall waste output by 2/3 over winter.

We  started designing an incinerator for nappies for a care home, about 20 years ago, it all looked promising and there's mostly only aliphatic (straight chain plastics) in them, the sodium polyacrylate that is used to absorb the liquid shouldn't be a problem either, it is apparently a problem in landfill..  The main problem would be the effect of all that moisture on the combustion conditions of the burner.

[doobin]

I loved my old Rayburn. Flipped the top around so that the removable plate for the kettle was over the fire chamber. Sat a kettle over it permanently. Any kitchen waste, just lift the kettle and chuck it in. Perfect.

[trigger_andy]

22 minutes ago, doobin said:

I loved my old Rayburn. Flipped the top around so that the removable plate for the kettle was over the fire chamber. Sat a kettle over it permanently. Any kitchen waste, just lift the kettle and chuck it in. Perfect.

I have a burn pile outside. Anything and everything combustible gets thrown on there. Would not be keen putting that kinda crap up my flue. 

 

Chickens get all the kitchen scraps. 

[Khriss]

1 hour ago, openspaceman said:

I did say unsorted municipal waste and you had implied that you had sorted yours into combustibles.

 

Mind your virgin wood ash is now contaminated with whatever minor chemicals went into your combustibles and as your woodburner was not designed to retain all the massflow for a couple of seconds at above 1200C  and then exhausting them through a wet scrubber AND/OR an electrostatic precipitator a number of nasties could have been emitted, which a properly managed incinerator would have trapped.

HENCE incineration is (  in the country of origin)  path to take,  wasting deisel in a lorry to collect plastic made from crude oil, delivering it on a ship burning low grade marine deisel is a Waste. K

[benedmonds]

1 hour ago, Big J said:

I don't dispute that there are some unpleasant things in the off-gassing, but in the scheme of things I feel its better than putting it out to recycling/landfill. Nappies for instance , reduce to almost nothing when incinerated. By being able to burn some of our waste, it reduces our overall waste output by 2/3 over winter.

I don't know for sure and have no evidence to support my argument (I am sure someone with more time could find some), but am pretty sure you are wrong, small scale burning of waste in a domestic appliance is going to be releasing all kinds of nasties into the local atmosphere.  While all the transport especially if it is international has an environmental cost I reckon micro scale home burning will be WAY worse.

 

There is  nothing wrong with properly designed landfill.  It doesn't take up that much space and people are going to start mining them as a resource soon.

 

[benedmonds]

27 minutes ago, Big J said:

Pales into insignificance compared to the crap local farmers burn. Bale plastics being the favourite. 

Not debating that.  But if we all did it it would be bad and sending it to a municipal waste collection would probably be better.

[benedmonds]

10 minutes ago, Scottish Cleaning Service said:

.... I study cycles and all I see is cycles coming and going like history has told us. ... The world has been in perfect balance since time began but now they say after billions or maybe trillions of years that we have knocked it out of balance and we must fix it. Either Natural Law is wrong and the experts are right or experts are wrong and Natural Law is still correct after Trillions of years. 🤔 We never left the stone age because we ran out of stones.  

The world is never in balance. It is always changing, it just happens that at this particular moment in the history of the world human activity is causing the change and as humans we could try and slow or reverse that change if we wanted.  Or not..

[peds]

30 minutes ago, Scottish Cleaning Service said:

In 1970 the BBC were doing a documentary saying we were going into the ice age again up in the North of Scotland. We were building an incinerator or something so we could dig up and burn all the peat. Now they are saying we are going into a hot age because of all the commodities we are burning. I study cycles and all I see is cycles coming and going like history has told us. Everything in life is expand and contract and if that is not happening then its usually dead. The world has been in perfect balance since time began but now they say after billions or maybe trillions of years that we have knocked it out of balance and we must fix it. Either Natural Law is wrong and the experts are right or experts are wrong and Natural Law is still correct after Trillions of years. 🤔 We never left the stone age because we ran out of stones.  

It's clusters of words like this that make me so unbelievably depressed about the future of humanity on this planet. The science, at this stage, is so clear cut, so defined, so well-understood. How on Earth, I ask the sky, fists clutching my hair, can people have such ridiculous ideas as this in their heads?

 

Protip: learn to grow your own food and don't get too attached to polar bears.

[sime42]

In 1970 the BBC were doing a documentary saying we were going into the ice age again up in the North of Scotland. We were building an incinerator or something so we could dig up and burn all the peat. Now they are saying we are going into a hot age because of all the commodities we are burning. I study cycles and all I see is cycles coming and going like history has told us. Everything in life is expand and contract and if that is not happening then its usually dead. The world has been in perfect balance since time began but now they say after billions or maybe trillions of years that we have knocked it out of balance and we must fix it. Either Natural Law is wrong and the experts are right or experts are wrong and Natural Law is still correct after Trillions of years. [emoji848] We never left the stone age because we ran out of stones.  

Unbelievable .....

[AHPP]

2 hours ago, benedmonds said:

I don't know for sure and have no evidence to support my argument (I am sure someone with more time could find some), but am pretty sure you are wrong, small scale burning of waste in a domestic appliance is going to be releasing all kinds of nasties into the local atmosphere.  While all the transport especially if it is international has an environmental cost I reckon micro scale home burning will be WAY worse.

 

There is  nothing wrong with properly designed landfill.  It doesn't take up that much space and people are going to start mining them as a resource soon.

 

Nah. Transporting rubbish uses shitloads of resources. It's not just a bit of fuel. It's that and then the vehicles themselves, then other vehicles that drive workers to work, then vehicles that drive trainers, accountants, marketers, lawyers, car designers, boot makers etc to work to support the workers who do the actual work of transporting the rubbish (and to support the supporters). Pointless work is far worse than it seems.

Also consider most pointless* recycling is government led (ideas that are so good that they're mandatory...). When was the last time the government did something that makes sense? If they're doing it, it's probably a shit idea.

 

 

*Not all reycling is pointless. Re-using stuff (including to heat your house) is recycling and not pointless. Sorting stuff into the blue bin so some chancing cvnt can sell it to Indonesia (to end up in the sea) is pointless.