Justme

You get weighed & nicked for over loading. Over loading is a different offence to no towing licence.

They use the combined load index of all the wheels. This would in all cases be more than the plated weight would be.

SWMBO is always right.........

What are you smoking / drinking? This thread was about IF you need a towing LICENCE or not. Not if you are over weight.

That is for C&U not licencing. Licencing is done on plated weights. Can you on your car Cat B licence that allows you to drive up to 3500kg drive an empty 7000kg lorry that has a real weight of 3400kg? No you cant as its the plated or potential weights that are used.

What? I never mentioned MOT or tractors? You brought it up.

If you are stopped for being over weight/GTW you MUST be weighed. They can not use the plated weights. However this is about licences. If you are stopped for no trailer towing licence then they do use plated weights.

It is also worth mentioning that not all vehicles can tow the full 750kg un braked trailer weight. They are limited by C&U to 50% of listed kerb weight, makers also spec the un braked weights too.

The load on the trailer has no bearing on anything (unless over weight) so it having or not having an MOT is of no interest.

Correct. Real weights are used for the MAM & GTW. IE my car can tow 1200kg but as I have BE I can borrow a 3500kg trailer & load a box of crisps on it & have a real weight of about 1000kg. That would be legal If I did not have BE it would not be legal as the GTW would total more than 3500kg. Even though the real weight inc car would only be 2800kg. With towing you have to comply with Licencing, C&U plus the makers recommendations. My original post is only covering licencing as that is the area of most confusion. Plus it limits the C&U further any way till you pass BE.

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Well I am 100% sure I am right. That is ONLY once you PASS your BE test. Then its real weights. Your B licence has limits in reguard to MAM of vehicle & Trailer.

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Brakes are NOT part of the legislation. They can be a lazy way to know if you can tow it or not as all trailer with no brakes MUST be sub 750kg so by default you can tow it. You could have a vehicle with a 2000kg MAM & then tow a trailer with a 1500kg MAM that would have brakes.

How do you know if you need a trailer towing licence or not? First off DO NOT listen to the bloke down the pub. He wont pay your fine when his advice is wrong. Ask your self these 3 simple questions:- 1, Did I pass my car test after 01-01-1997? 2, Is my trailers maximum legal weight over 750kg? 3, Does the total maximum legal weight of my car (MAM) & trailer (MAM or MLPM) total more than 3500kg? If you answered YES to ALL 3 questions you need a towing licence. When answering question 3 you need to look either at the cars V5 or the weight plate & the weight plate of the trailer. On the Cars weight plate it is the top number you need. Add that to the trailers max legal weight MAM (MPLM for caravans) You can not use the kerb or real weights of the car or trailer. Even if the trailer is empty it is still the max legal weight that is used. If you are in any doubt ASK us on here or via FB messenger not the bloke down the pub. http://m.me/TrailerTrainingCymru

This is the one my mate uses on his bandsaw.

I am sure the PTO max speed is 480 rpm. 60c is not hot for oil.

You are dissing the wrong people. Its not the DVSA but the DVLA that are responsible for licences & vehicle registrations.

I used to have a self move towable digger. It could / would do all that I asked of it. Yes a bigger machine would be quicker but this thing could be towed by a small family car. like this one Mantis towable digger, Benford ME130 excavator Fleming Micron, Powerfab, Gopher, Roughneck, Smalley, digger, excavator, dumper, backhoe

I was basing it on the £6 chain. How much work time is lost due to sharpening time on site compared to swapping it time? If it takes 10 mins to sharpen how long to change a chain 2 mins? Loosing 8 mins times X sharpens per day per person per saw? 1 sharpen per hour = a 13% loss of actual working time per hour. How many £1 plus files per chain life? You might pay the worker £x but are charging them out at £y. Crazy I know but its good to look at it from a different angle sometimes. Not just do things cos thats the way it has always been done. Lots of stuff now is easier & cheaper to replace than maintain / service / fix.

I wonder if anyone has done a full cost / benefit analysis on the two side? IE cost of new chains & the cost of paying you or your employees to fit them versus The cost of the files & the time taken for them to be sharpened. I would expect the biggest cost in both cases to be the wages / lost time & not the chains / files.

How much per bay?

Thats a 33% increase. Surely they dont stretch that much? The smaller the fixed container (wheelie bin) the less it will hold or big odd shaped bits compared to its actual volume.

The great thing about the WP is that it lifts the logs for you (with the extra lifters) without needing a log deck or digger or similar to load the deck.

The wp 30. Same cut size just slightly less splitting power (but slightly faster cycle times). I use the WP30.