It's time to wake up - and switch to Aspen Fuel

[josharb87]

Is it not the fact that alcohol is crippingly expensive? Perhaps you could drink Aspen instead?

 

of course not . . .

[tommer9]

Given that i smoke, mill timber which is incredibly dusty, cut stone (from areas where arsenic is mined) and breathe in car fumes all day, regularly abuse my health in a million other ways, then this product is either goibng to have to be as cheap or cheaper than normal mix. I cant relate to the headache thing, even after a day on the chainsaw mill. Sorry, but i just dont believe the hype.

[MattyF]

you aint milling hard enough then.......

[benedmonds]

In terms of Aspen 2 - if bought directly from us at AAOIL we can supply you a pallet (54 - five litre cans) with free carriage at £11.03 each - 54 would be = £595.62

Or you could buy a 200 litre drum for £421.35

(price are excl. VAT)

 

If you are buying quatities, be aware Petroleum Spirit (Motor Vehicles etc) Regulations 1929

Max 275 l without licence

max 10l container

If you want bigger must be 10m from building/public place with a spillage retention system and licence from Enviroment Agency

 

Petroleum Spirit (Plastic Containers) Regulations 1982

max 5l containers, max 2 per vehicle, + 2 in safe place

(although I just read they no longer apply to work places?)

[Aspen@AAOIL]

Shock tactic breaking news threads like this are unhelpful. Benzenes carcinogenicity is well documented - nothing new. The WHO (world health organisation) lists well researched benzene LD figures for fuel station workers and customers and yes when fuelling with gasoline, users are exposed to roughly 100,000 times the safe recommended level of C6H6. Benzene was added to gasoline after the withdrawal of TEL (lead) and is now almost entirely replaced by oxygenates such as MTBE (methyl-tertiary-butyl-ether).

Well, benzene is contained in normal petrol at around 1%. Benzene is also formed when aromatics (Toluene, Xylene is combusted). Normal petrol contains up to 35% of aromatics – i.e. when used forms quite a lot of benzene. MTBE was first introduced into fuels in California to lower emissions and lower the forming of smog. MTBE is a chemical and contains no benzene, sulphur or aromatics. MTBE was allowed up to 15% in fuels and as MTBE contains 18% of oxygen the maximum oxygen levels achieved in normal pump fuels was 2.7%. However, recently MTBE has been found to contaminate groundwater (mainly from leaking underground tanks) and as MTBE is a stable chemical that will never break down this flagged up an unsolved issue. As a result MTBE was banned in fuels in the states. The solution to keep emission levels low was to exchange MTBE with Ethanol. Ethanol is an alcohol and does not contain aromatics, sulphur or benzene. As Ethanol contains approximately 33% oxygen the amount allowed was reduced to around 10-11% of total blend whilst increasing the maximum amount of oxygen in pump fuels to 3.7% which was determined to be the maximum amount of oxygen normal cars would be able to cope with. To use ethanol is also very popular due to its bio fuel status – that it is grown on acres where food were otherwise grown is another matter..

 

In the UK and in Europe the maximum amount of ethanol allowed is 5% resulting in 1.7% of oxygen. MTBE was occasionally used in pump fuels depending on availability and price – please remember that the specification of pump fuels is very broad and as a result what forecourt petrol contains varies all the time.

 

But, right now it is a move (regulation) that oil companies have to include 5% average of bio fuels in fuels for cars and trucks. To be able to do this average the amount of ethanol is expected to peak at around 10% in Europe shortly.

 

The question and statement that MTBE is replaced by alkylate is untrue. More true is that due to the fact that the sulphur levels of pump fuels have been lowered to a maximum of 10ppm from 50ppm since 1st of January 2010 has meant that if a batch of pump fuels has slightly over 10% of sulphur, motor alkylate (which is sulphur free) can been added to “purify” normal fuel (or by adding ethanol). But as motor alkylate is much more expensive than normal pump fuels this is done if it is absolutely necessary to “trim” fuel that is outside the specification.

 

So MTBE has not been replaced by alkylate. It is being replaced by ethanol. Pump fuels still contain benzene (max 1%), sulphur (max 10ppm) and aromatics (max 35%) whereas Aspen only contains traces of benzene, sulphur and aromatics – in reality 0%. That is why you should use Aspen and not pump fuels.

 

Hope that this clarify the situation.

 

Also petroleum alkylate (or motor alkylate) is too expensive to use in pump fuels on a regular basis.

[Czlowiek Drzewo]

i wonder how many people are using aspen because its a better choice for health are smokers?

 

The whole big mac meal with diet coke thing going on.

[josharb87]

i think its intresting, reading through this thread, that the people who have used it reckon its worth it, and continue to use it, and those that havent used it think its a gimmick

[Robert_S]

Well i will soon give my verdict as ive bought some, should get delivered on friday. So will use it all next week and see if i can tell the difference.

[Stephen Blair]

well i have been hedge cutting most of the day and i have a sore throat and am now really aware of the fumes now that it has been brought to mind, i am trying this stuff out on Monday thanks to Robert bringing me some over:thumbup1:

[Andy Collins]

I'm not going to quote AAOils reply, but thanks for a clear and concise factual reply.