Walker killed by cattle....

[Stubby]

2 hours ago, Doug Tait said:

We have three Angus Bulls in the field next to me ( Well one bull and two steers ) Coz my spaniel is black they think its a small one of them 🙂

[Stere]

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The change to european cattle breeds hasn't helped as all a bit skittish and large but the biggest problem is cattle are never used to seeing someone walking now, the farmer almost always looks them in a pick up, tractor or quad and never walks like the old days.

I think thats spot on

 

Had  a job with  acess by a walk through a field with water buffalo they looked and  were abit frisky really gave you the evil eye, and liked to charge up behind if you turn your back on them 😬.

 

Edited February 14, 2022 by Stere

[Haironyourchest]

13 minutes ago, Stere said:

I think thats spot on

 

Had  a job with  acess by a walk through a field with water buffalo they looked and  were abit frisky really gave you the evil eye, and liked to charge up behind if you turn your back on them 😬.

 

There was a man killed by his water buffalo in England recently, made the news. 

[john87]

8 hours ago, Macpherson said:

 

A very emotive subject and you're explanation of the results that happen from dog attacks on animals I've no doubt of and I accept your right to deal with a dog that's worrying sheep or worse.

 

Unfortunately far to many dogs are encouraged to take on the traits of their arsehole owners and I'd very much appreciate if you'd shoot them too.

 

My near 16 year old loves inspecting nature just like me,  she'll stand over and watch a beetle or spider with interest and on a recent walk through highland cows she ended up nose to nose with the bull which I wish I  had a pics of, so you can't tar them all.....

 

 

Yes, i agree with what you say, would not mind shooting the owners at all...

 

I knew a bloke once that owned a welding shop. I said to him about shooting the dogs and he was not happy. I said "Alan. how would you feel it you came in here one morning and there was a monkey busy bending all your welding rods in half, you would not have a problem shooting that would you" !!!

 

Problem with sheep is just the sight of a dog worries them, that is why they all go into a bunch.. I cannot remember the theory, but it is something to do with what is better for the survival of the flock, to scatter, or to bunch up. The one way results in more chance of the INDIVIDUAL surviving, and the other, there is more chance of the flock as a whole surviving, cannot remember which is which though..

 

john..

 

john..

[john87]

4 hours ago, Doug Tait said:

The sheep in the photo are not worried in the least, they gathered together not in fear but in expectation of being fed, they followed the dog and I happily because they know they're in no danger. I well understand both dogs and stock, and I'm sorry but I think your knowledge is lacking. 

Funny that, as i used to work on a farm with 200 breeding ewes [so over 400 of the things after lambing] so i think i know just a bit about sheep..

 

john..

[peds]

I used to work for a chef who knew f*ck all about cooking.

 

Just sayin' yo.

[Billhook]

Rule 1 Never turn your back on a bull

Rule 2 Never walk into a field of cattle or sheep with dogs even on a lead especially with calves or lambs, unless they have been trained for the purpose.

As for foot paths, we have one going across a boring 90 acre field that is often cold and windy with no special views and diminished hedges as they do not grow well in those conditions 

it used to be for the children in a neighbouring hamlet to walk a shortcut to the school in our village.  Both the school and the hamlet no longer exist and nobody uses the footpath anymore but we have to maintain it and cut a path through the crops each year, just for what?

We also have a very pleasant private footpath through some woodland down to a lake which I initially  allowed a few villagers to use.  Other people then started to use it and I put up signs saying “Private Land, Permissive Footpath “ but this was not enough and some knob in the village has challenged me that because it has been continuously used for over ten years it is now a public footpath.   He has no evidence of this but now I have been told by the NFU to erect a fence and gate at the beginning of the path that must be closed once a year.

Most of the people using the path are very reasonable and appreciate  the farm and report to me any suspicious activity or dangerous trees or just interesting airings of wildlife, especially otters and kingfishers on the lake. They are the ones that keep their dogs under control and I welcome them

Edited February 14, 2022 by Billhook

[john87]

2 hours ago, drinksloe said:

 

 

Its not often i will say wot a load of bollocks but i'm afraid some of ur posts on this topic are.

 

Sheep don't just abort by looking at a dog, bloody hell wot do they do when they see a fox or badger prowling about???

If they ever do release wolves sheep farmers are truely knackered, never mind wolves eating the lambs be no lambs about as sheep will have aborted after just seeing a wolf in the distance

 

I've seen some of the local farmers sheep dogs and most are pretty poor, not unusual to see and few grabing sheep by the neck but some herds like a dog to do that on comand.

Some hill shepherds will move sheep for miles upon mles with out sheep falling over having heart attacks.

Even when sheep are pregnantt still moved about and brought into pens for scanning etc all fairly stressful operations, but essential and shouldn't abort because of that

 

I would go away and read the law on sheep worrying and the advice given by NFU, farmers guardian etc.

Ur leaving ur self wide open to being done for shooting a dog.

U cannot threaten to shot someones dog, evena dog  running wild and worrying sheep, the minute they have control u have missed ur opportunity to shoot it, it must be in the act.

Also a lot easier legally with a shotgun ( not S1) than a rifle, gets complicated with conditions etc

Even any warning signs u put up u can't threaten to shoot dogs, legally, u can warn the to be on leads and under control thou or sheep in the field or advise them of country code.

 

But i do realise many will ignore them anyway, just last week we lost track of the ammount of walkers that walked throu warning tape and signs to 'see wot we were doing with the chainsaws' in a nature reserve, lucky small trees so no real danger but the stupidity of people never ceases to amaze me.

 

Farmers DO NOT have the right to shoot a dog no matter wot it is doing but they do have a defence for shooting it if it is in the act of worrying.

If u have followed the law/advice u will be ok legally, ( sometimes dog owners will take alternative actions thou, fences cut, gates left open ) but just shooting a dog in a field for looking, its just a matter of time before ur guns are taken off u. Really not on

 

 

Really folk have to have some responsibility for their own actions

But cows are getting far worse nowadays to walk throu, a previous job i walked miles every day throu farmers fields/livestock, never really a problem althou towards the end stock getting wilder and more jumpy, about 15 years ago bought a quad bike and the difference was unbelevable, could drive irght throu the middle of a herd all lying down chewing and they wouldn't even lift there heads.

 

The change to european cattle breeds hasn't helped as all a bit skittish and large but the biggest problem is cattle are never used to seeing someone walking now, the farmer almost always looks them in a pick up, tractor or quad and never walks like the old days.

They just don't spend the time with them they would off in the past, often feed with a feed wagon now so not even grapeing silage to them now

I know 1 farmer stopped using his quad for the cattle to make them easier to work  with in the pens

Ah, well theres a funny old thing.. Suggest you look what the law states instead of guessing.. You state that "Farmers DO NOT have the right to shoot a dog no matter wot it is doing but they do have a defence for shooting it if it is in the act of worrying"

 

Ok, lets see what the LAW classes as "worrying" then..

 

Oh look..

For the purposes of this Act [Dogs (Protection of Livestock) Act 1953] worrying livestock means—

(a)attacking livestock, or

(b) chasing livestock in such a way as may reasonably be expected to cause injury or suffering to the livestock or, in the case of females, abortion, or loss of or diminution in their produce.

or

(c) being at large (that is to say not on a lead or otherwise under close control) in a field or enclosure in which there are sheep]

So there you are, simply being "at large" is worrying..

Now, why do you think the law includes being "at large" if this is not worrying the sheep?? and as you rightly say, if they are being worried, you shoot the dog..

Secondly, everytime we shot a dog, [and there were plenty] we got the police [it is a requirement to report you have shot one] who would generally come and have a look.

Funny how we never got arrested or guns taken off us then...

john..

[kevinjohnsonmbe]

55 minutes ago, Haironyourchest said:

There was a man killed by his water buffalo in England recently, made the news. 

You know the difference between a buffalo and a bison right....?

[AHPP]

2 minutes ago, kevinjohnsonmbe said:

You know the difference between a buffalo and a bison right....?

That only works with the accent.