The woodsure scheme, do we need it?

[log on tommy]

Anyone had an audit yet? and if so how did it pan out? This whole scheme makes me want to weep, the PA of the inspector has arranged my audit for mid september, can't do any earlier as he's on holiday for two weeks! So let me get my head round this, our subscription is paying for the PA salary, the auditors salary and he decides to go on holiday just prior to log season. Aaaaaagh

[doobin]

Typical attitude of babes spending other people’s money. 

[kevinjohnsonmbe]

2 hours ago, doobin said:

Typical attitude of babes spending other people’s money. 

Is she a babe?  Niiiiiice 😂

 

just had the RHI newsletter, Woodsure having taken over from Gemserve as the administration of that scheme. 
 

Their latest ‘long screwdriver’ QUAnGO, self justification, money spinning scheme is to develop and impose a maintenance schedule / requirement for biomass boiler owners.....

 

Got to pay for next years holiday and a boob job for PA somehow.....

 

 

[difflock]

5 hours ago, kevinjohnsonmbe said:

Is she a babe?  Niiiiiice 😂

 

just had the RHI newsletter, Woodsure having taken over from Gemserve as the administration of that scheme. 
 

Their latest ‘long screwdriver’ QUAnGO, self justification, money spinning scheme is to develop and impose a maintenance schedule / requirement for biomass boiler owners.....

 

Got to pay for next years holiday and a boob job for PA somehow.....

 

 

Pity they still wont pay for the lube  .  .  .

[Nicholas Johnson]

On 25/08/2021 at 08:57, kevinjohnsonmbe said:

Is she a babe?  Niiiiiice 😂

 

just had the RHI newsletter, Woodsure having taken over from Gemserve as the administration of that scheme. 
 

Their latest ‘long screwdriver’ QUAnGO, self justification, money spinning scheme is to develop and impose a maintenance schedule / requirement for biomass boiler owners.....

 

Got to pay for next years holiday and a boob job for PA somehow.....

 

 

Mate the woman that phoned me certainly sounded like a babe! 🤤

 

But honest to god, what a joke if an auditor is on holiday in 'their busiest time' as they call it.

 

Unfortunately for us, this isn't going to just go away, I've bitten the bullet and will get things sorted as either way we'll need to do this before May! 

[Alycidon]

On 14/08/2021 at 09:54, Big J said:

 

That wasn't my intention. What I'm saying is that it doesn't matter how diligent a retailer is (best before and use by dates, for example), a person can still do themselves harm by ignoring the guidance. 

 

Given that the average person has a better understanding of food safety than efficient fire usage, I'd say that the Woodsure scheme will have little effect on improving burning practices or reducing emissions. 

 

 

I'm entirely in favour of electric vehicles and reducing domestic firewood usage. I say that as someone with a V10 Touareg and a 20kw stove. I can't wait until my car simply plugs in and I no longer have to feed a stove. 

 

However, legislating like this punishes the retailer who is fundamentally selling a sound product. There is no such thing as bad firewood. There is only firewood that is sufficiently dry and firewood that needs more drying time. The education and legislation needs to be targeted at the end user, not the retailer. 

 

Ban open fires, ban inefficient stoves, make flue pipe thermometers compulsory or even automatic vents to moderate air flow. Educate the end user and stop punishing the retailers for idiots that don't know how to use a fire or what to burn. 

Self adjusting stoves are in development by at least one of the UKs leading stove manufacturers.  Currently being trialled overseas.   Some small European manufacturers have tried the market them with very little uptake.  My own feeling is that anything electrical in close proximity to a stove is asking for trouble.

 

Good idea to ban open fires and old inefficient stoves but no way would the govt play ball on that, to much of a vote looser especially in the North.

 

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[Woodworks]

8 minutes ago, Alycidon said:

Self adjusting stoves are in development by at least one of the UKs leading stove manufacturers.  Currently being trialled overseas.   Some small European manufacturers have tried the market them with very little uptake.  My own feeling is that anything electrical in close proximity to a stove is asking for trouble.

 

 

 

 

Surly they can be mechanically operated ? Made a mechanical thermostatic control for my charcoal retort that works very well and is very simple. For a stove some form of bimetal strip might be enough to operate an air vent

Edited August 27, 2021 by Woodworks

[openspaceman]

16 minutes ago, Woodworks said:

Surly they can be mechanically operated ? Made a mechanical thermostatic control for my charcoal retort that works very well and is very simple. For a stove some form of bimetal strip might be enough to operate an air vent

Yes but it's wide band oxygen sensors that are used to feedback  flue gas conditions and they operate by generating a voltage difference between the flue side and ambient air. Also  a crude wire with a current running through it coupled with a temperature sensor can distinguish differing exhaust gas content in much the same way an air mass flow device works in a car.

[neiln]

Plenty of big stoves in the US have a 'temperature control' the user sets and the stove operates the air controls via bimetallic strip.  I think they tend to be those that also have catalytic converters. Check out blaze king.  It's for ready of use though, load a big stove once a day, the controls give steady heat output and the catalyst keeps the gases clean.  All very convenient for the user, I'd love one!

[Alycidon]

2 hours ago, neiln said:

Plenty of big stoves in the US have a 'temperature control' the user sets and the stove operates the air controls via bimetallic strip.  I think they tend to be those that also have catalytic converters. Check out blaze king.  It's for ready of use though, load a big stove once a day, the controls give steady heat output and the catalyst keeps the gases clean.  All very convenient for the user, I'd love one!

That is I think the sort of thing thats being worked on,  but there are a whole raft of approvals to gain prior to it being marketed in the UK.   

 

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