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6 hours ago, Mark J said:

Most jobs will be automated in a decade or so.

Mmmm the luddite movement (protesting at machines replacing workers) dates back to 1811 according to Wikipedia, and yet we still seem to need millions of humans, even if a fair proportion of them are designing, building, supporting machinery etc.

 

Have you tried letting a robot cut your hair, or cook you a pizza?!  My experience is they can't even deal with a simple query about my bank account, never mind a million and one other unique tasks.

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1 minute ago, Squaredy said:

Mmmm the luddite movement (protesting at machines replacing workers) dates back to 1811 according to Wikipedia, and yet we still seem to need millions of humans, even if a fair proportion of them are designing, building, supporting machinery etc.

 

Have you tried letting a robot cut your hair, or cook you a pizza?!  My experience is they can't even deal with a simple query about my bank account, never mind a million and one other unique tasks.

25 years ago you probably didn't have a mobile phone.
Now you have the knowledge of the planet at your fingertips.
Moore's law appears to reflect reality.
 

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2 minutes ago, Mark J said:

25 years ago you probably didn't have a mobile phone.
Now you have the knowledge of the planet at your fingertips.
Moore's law appears to reflect reality.
 

Quite right I had no mobile phone 25 years ago, indeed I managed pretty much without the internet, as so little was on the net back then.  I remember having to fax my CV in response to job adverts all the time as although I used email none of the agencies did!

 

But, other than meaning I look up on google to find a phone number and sometimes I can find good info via internet, how much difference has it made to my job as a very small sawmill?  Sawmilling has been improved by narrow bandsaw technology (woodmizer etc).  Forestry contractors are more automated - which is sometimes a benefit, and sometimes a drawback as the old fashioned ways are now specialised not mainstream.  Marketing is partly web based, though as I am very niche, word of mouth is far more important for me.

 

I freely admit I am a bit of a luddite, but my life and my job are not transformed due to technology.  Tweaked maybe but no more.

 

Even the obvious benefit that you refer to - having the knowledge of the world at your fingetips - although sometimes very useful, for the most part the knowledge was always out there - just needed different techniques to find.  Now a question can be answered in a few seconds, but then maybe hours spent verifying the answer and checking, as the net is so awash with half facts, and plain nonsense!

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10 minutes ago, Squaredy said:

Quite right I had no mobile phone 25 years ago, indeed I managed pretty much without the internet, as so little was on the net back then.  I remember having to fax my CV in response to job adverts all the time as although I used email none of the agencies did!

 

But, other than meaning I look up on google to find a phone number and sometimes I can find good info via internet, how much difference has it made to my job as a very small sawmill?  Sawmilling has been improved by narrow bandsaw technology (woodmizer etc).  Forestry contractors are more automated - which is sometimes a benefit, and sometimes a drawback as the old fashioned ways are now specialised not mainstream.  Marketing is partly web based, though as I am very niche, word of mouth is far more important for me.

 

I freely admit I am a bit of a luddite, but my life and my job are not transformed due to technology.  Tweaked maybe but no more.

 

Even the obvious benefit that you refer to - having the knowledge of the world at your fingetips - although sometimes very useful, for the most part the knowledge was always out there - just needed different techniques to find.  Now a question can be answered in a few seconds, but then maybe hours spent verifying the answer and checking, as the net is so awash with half facts, and plain nonsense!

My job as a tree surveyor is pretty safe from automation.
I'm appreciative of the fact I learned how to use libraries when I was younger.
A wide vocabulary is useless if you have nothing to say though.
It's what you do with the information that counts.

 

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I want to see the robot that can go into the plantation, select the appropriate tree for what needs milling, drop, sned and get it onto the mill, mill it up with maximum yeild, and fetch it out to the roadside, all without disturbing the flora and fauna, or any visible impact , if its out there I want it.........

 

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2 hours ago, Squaredy said:

Have you tried letting a robot cut your hair, or cook you a pizza?!  My experience is they can't even deal with a simple query about my bank account, never mind a million and one other unique tasks.

Just check out the super high tech Honda robot that walks about like it has shit itself, that should easily confirm that machines are not quite there yet.

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6 minutes ago, The avantgardener said:

Just check out the super high tech Honda robot that walks about like it has shit itself, that should easily confirm that machines are not quite there yet.

... it cut my hair... I wear a hat as you can see..... k

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1 hour ago, agrimog said:

I want to see the robot that can go into the plantation, select the appropriate tree for what needs milling, drop, sned and get it onto the mill, mill it up with maximum yeild, and fetch it out to the roadside, all without disturbing the flora and fauna, or any visible impact , if its out there I want it.........

 

It's a Chinook Predator Furreby. ...yr gonna have to wait mate, K

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