Mesterh

Have you read your previous posts mate? As that contradicts them all. Anyway I stand by my comment as, no offense but I believe your talking bollocks. Cheer up you miserable gits a fiver won't kill you but will save the life of another.

What a miserable grim thread this is. Whinging about someone helping others is a new low in complaining FFS! worcswuss, that's some narrow minded opinions you have there.Without a doubt some celebrities will help more people in 1 minute than you will in your entire life. No one has to donate to charity but come on, give those that do a little respect.

Ooops, actually I should apologise a bit to you there as I sort of got this and another thread and another member mixed up.

I vote you do them, the site and everyone else a favour(members who make a sing and dance about wanting to leave), ie ban them and put them out of their misery.

Surely though with experience this isnt necessary as it becomes automatic? In regards to the OP I suppose it could be considered a waste if you get to the end of your working career and have never had to rely on the protection from the PPE but up until that point then I don't think it can be seen a waste of money.

Hey I'll get anyone a virtual pint. We are talking about two different things here though. There is massive difference between offering professional advice compared to forcing your personal opinions on someone. If someone has decided to have a tree removed then who am I to tell them they can't? All I can say is I'm not doing it and be on my way. Besides just because we are a professional doesn't mean to say we are right, one mans specimen tree is another mans leaf dropping, wall destroying, foundation lifting, view blocking, light blocking and costly PITA, while one mans scabby cherry is another mans pride and joy.

Come on who is throwing their toys out here. I commented on how I dislike the idea of contractors saying the client is wrong and doing sneaky stuff and you quote me saying isnt this what pros do compared to cowboys!? What else am I supposed to say! I think your idea of working with the client is different to mine.Plus its all about the client to me.

Err what? So someone who listens to the client and does as they request is a cowboy whereas someone who ignores the clients wishes, imposes their own opinions with intention to change those of the client and when that fails gets some biggers boys to force their views through! I never understand why some think it their duty to 'talk the customer into' 'persuade the customer to' etc etc. Why is our view more important than the customer? The customer knows whats best for them 99.9% of the time the other .1% they ask for our advice all we can do is give our professional opinion, not ram it down their throat.

I cant belive some of the views of what people think is right! This is worse than the sneaky assessor thread! Wouldn't go down to well for the professional arb industry would it. " I invited a local professional Arb firm to quote on removing a tree but the guy said 'oh no, I like this tree I'm going to put a stop to you felling it'":thumbdown: I can't understand the hypocritical views. Ok to fell tree A because I don't like it but tree B is staying wether you like it or not. IMO TPO's shouldn't be granted without the tree owners permission, yes the tree owner, the one who could end up with a life time of grief and cost because someone decides that it looks nice and then toddles off unaffected by it all! Sneaky assessors and now sneaky arbs:laugh1: be careful posting threads on 'how would you tackle this job' 'how much would you charge for this' etc etc, someone might just try and stitch you and more importantly your client up. I am quite disgusted at what I've read tbh.

Heres an idea, why not work with some of the local firewood merchants to help them out rather than tipping it all in land fill in the first place! The next thing you know some sneaky LA's will start pressurising the public into working on their 'dangerous trees and hedges'

Tbh I see it exactly the opposite. Have more than on one occasion heard someone go on saying how easy and a piece of piss something is so they look 'harder'. Anyway your logic on 'dangerous' is flawed, I'll prove it to you later.

Sorry mate I don't understand what you mean. You need a license by law, he doesn't need a license/traing or certs by law. If I would have driven past and seen him doing that job then I would have thought,":laugh1: what's he up to?!!!" but that would have been it. In fact I see something just as comical more or less every time I drive past the the gangs workin for the LA. (btw it is a very large private company and not LA employed staff) People not qualified/trained to carry out the task in hand, not provided with the appropriate ppe etc,etc. Ie grass cutters hacking trees. It's just not worth worrying about and certainly not worthy of fine like this guy got IMO. What I do think is worthy of a whine is when customers get blatantly ripped off or conned and employees or members of the public blatantly being subject to unnecessary dangers. Plus I think it's also worthy of a phone call to the appropriate body, as is a lot of other things that people turn a blind eye to when they shouldn't!

You would have thought so! Especially when there seems to be alot of people who say they will work for free just to get the experience!

Since its for getting a good working position it makes sense to clip it wherever gets you that good working position. Sometimes I think you fellas worry about stuff too much!

Of course I didn't read it, I read the thread title and based all my comments solely on that. I'm not completely siding with him but if I condemn him them I may as well condemn myself and a good majority of professional arbs too. You do know that best practice states we should all retrain/do a refresher course every 5 years from the date we acquired our certs? How many keep that up? Does that mean everyone who doesn't is incompetent and is putting themselves and others at risk, while someone who has just got their certs for the first time with minimal training and experience is ok and safe? Someone could have taken a pic of me the other day using the 020 on the ground with no helmet, ear muffs and eye protection. The HSE could have looked into it and fined me for not keeping up with my training, not having tickets for using a ladder, not having any training for manual lifting, not having my LOLER up to date etc etc etc. Why didn't I have a helmet on? Because it was hot and I was dragging brash but needed to whip down a bit of scrub but cba going to get a ground saw and helmet. Or they could have seen me a couple of days previously carrying out a an awkward bit of a reduction on a TPO tree over plenty of targets using rigging and all the skills we need daily. Plus I was all PPE'd up. Do we all abide by the rules and regs we should all the time? Have we all have the training and can prove we have by producing up to date certs? Do we bollocks!

Who's to say this guy is doing it wrong! He's 53 and still climbing trees! Judging by the amount of injury threads that pop up most of us Pro's won't get to his age as climbers! Fining this guy won't do a thing for the industry, are we all going to stop one handing 020's and never free climb at any point again? I always knew ladders were the future.

Nope, the costs to the NHS and costs from lost revenue due to not working through ill health etc far outweigh the collected taxes. It's really the only reason they spend money trying to get us to stop drinking and smoking. Back to the OP, this is completely ridiculous! 6k costs when there are scum out there causing untold misery to others and receiving far, far smaller fines or slaps on wrists. Anyone who has done their fair share of cony hedge topping will have done plentyof balancing on dead pointy twigs, not tied in and one handing the 020. Plus maybe his RA stated it was too warm to wear chainsaw proofs and that he could get better footholds without clumsy protective boots. I bet there isn't one of us who could say that they have never, ever breached not even one HSE rule! Different kettle of fish if he had made an untrained employee do the above. Anyone plenty of people cost the NHS loads of money each year from DIY accidents, should we all grass our neighbours up when we see them with a drill in their hands putting up a shelf without checking for electricity cables first?!

Tbh I wouldn't care if it was legally right or not I think morally you should keep them maintained ie pruned to a sensible height. I have seen far too many selfish people that because their tree doesn't bother them everyone else can get stuffed. Btw I'm not suggesting your selfish as your are asking if you should do something about it. Do the right thing and get them back in check, then keep them in check. If it was the other way around im sure you would think your neighbour unreasonable if they did nothing about it, plus it must be blocking some light off at 60 feet. Life's too short to piss people off.

People are just too bleedin selfish these days, if it doesnt affect them they dont give a monkey's. The tree is going to fail, I would tell he neighbour that.

If anyone dares whine about firemen refusing to rescue a cat then they need a slap! Anyone phoning the fire brigade asking to help rescue a cat also needs a slap, and deserves a fine for wasting time! Besides we were all indestructible at 15 so no credit to the kid. I've been to rescue 2 cats and both of them jumped out of the tree before I managed to get close to them. The 'tree surgeon' should stick to whatever job he was doing at the time when he was asked him if he could rescue a cat.

The thing is though with tree work its not very often that it "needs" doing. The out of control hedge can stay that way for another 5 years and that big tree can just keep getting bigger as it has for the last 20 years ive been living here. The leaking pipe needs fixing now, the heating needs sorting now, I need electricity now etc etc. Plus its never worth thinking we should all up our rates(albeit some mass price fixing ) because there will always be plenty of others that can do it cheaper. Dont think the cheap guys will go out of business soon and all will be fine, they wont, plus there are always others that join the party. The only answer I can come up with is to get the clients that want the work at the price you charge. Once thats been cracked its plain sailing.

I would say its more to do with her "aggressive behaviour" and "mental health issues" that they think she would be an unfit mother which I totally agree with if thats the case.The EDL bit has probably been blow out of proportion by the newspaper. I have seen too many helpless kids being raised by scum who shouldn't have to right to breed IMO.

Thats a bit of a shame as it sounded like a very sensible law. I bet that tree dominated the neighbours garden and house.

Thats were I think the law is an ass. Why can someone be denied permission to erect an extension but then be allowed to grow a forest of lombardy and conifers! Makes no sense and I do feel sorry for the poor buggers that have to put up with selfish neighbours. No excuse for what happened in this thread though.

Of course not, you can always poke fun at conspiracy theories, as they can always counter argue.