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[easy-lift guy]

I agree with Ted. Whoever was responsible for signing off the cladding of those flats in flammable material should be jailed. People have lost everything through the negligence of others. They deserve a place to live. Have a heart.

 

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Thanks Mark. These victims don't need a hand out, they need a hand up and to be made whole. This situation can never happen again in your country. Your citizens deserve better.

easy-lift guy

[Mark J]

I agree in every thing he says but to turn and drag greenfell in to a political argument that things would of been any different if Corbyn had won is mental illness.

Unfortunately what happened in Greenfell has to be dragged into a political argument. The government is supposed to be serving us, the people, not their own interests. People died needlessly. Who signed it off? Who allowed the situation to happen? Who's slashed budgets to to pay off their corrupt banker buddies?

 

Matty, I'm fed up with the current government. They're the type of people who would nick your phone and then help you look for it.

 

Hope you're well anyway mate.

 

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[MattyF]

Mark I despair at the whole thing, the system is corrupt and always has been,I think people are waking up .. something is in the air good or bad changes are happening.

Have you seen that documentary the killings of Tony Blair ?? worth a watch.

I'm good mate,apart from just loosing a big salmon or sea trout on the Tyne in the dark!

[matelot]

Unfortunately what happened in Greenfell has to be dragged into a political argument. The government is supposed to be serving us, the people, not their own interests. People died needlessly. Who signed it off? Who allowed the situation to happen? Who's slashed budgets to to pay off their corrupt banker buddies?

 

Matty, I'm fed up with the current government. They're the type of people who would nick your phone and then help you look for it.

 

Hope you're well anyway mate.

 

I'm supervising work on a large construction project at the moment. When can I expect Theresa May to come to site to audit the work I'm doing?

 

I'd imagine the underlying cause of this fire is professional incompetence. I had a job where I had to monitor defects on the road network, I went into my three month probationery interview and had my probationery period extended as I was pointing out too many defects... If substandard cladding was used I'd imagine it was either due to incompetence or corruption. If someone has done wrong let's prosecute them, but how about we don't use the fire as an excuse to bash the tories?

[Richard 1234]

Unfortunately what happened in Greenfell has to be dragged into a political argument. The government is supposed to be serving us, the people, not their own interests. People died needlessly. Who signed it off? Who allowed the situation to happen? Who's slashed budgets to to pay off their corrupt banker buddies?

 

Matty, I'm fed up with the current government. They're the type of people who would nick your phone and then help you look for it.

 

Hope you're well anyway mate.

 

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It wasn't the government that signed it off. The fire brigade for one would have to have signed off. Do you really think it was not up to regulations?

It was the local council that would have been part of signing off.

If anything the refurb cost far too much for far too little in return.

But covering a building in plastic can't be a bright idea yet some clever **** thought it was a good idea and got it past fire regulations.

The last change to fire regulations seems to have been in 2005 was that not a labour government in power?

You can't put this on either of the main parties.

Time will tell why but stop trying to grab cheap points in a poor attempt to bash the government

 

 

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[kevinjohnsonmbe]

It wasn't the government that signed it off. The fire brigade for one would have to have signed off. Do you really think it was not up to regulations?

It was the local council that would have been part of signing off.

If anything the refurb cost far too much for far too little in return.

But covering a building in plastic can't be a bright idea yet some clever **** thought it was a good idea and got it past fire regulations.

The last change to fire regulations seems to have been in 2005 was that not a labour government in power?

You can't put this on either of the main parties.

Time will tell why but stop trying to grab cheap points in a poor attempt to bash the government

 

 

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RBK&C Chief exec "resigns." Council leader should be close behind him!

[TIMON]

RBK&C Chief exec "resigns." Council leader should be close behind him!

 

 

"Took one for the team" comes to mind. I doubt very much there would be any kind of severance package either? [emoji849]

( I'm beginning to sound like a champagne socialist now, I know, )

I would hope that all concerned would do the decent thing, unlikely though, methinks.....

 

"Greater love hath no man that he lay down the lives of his friends in order to save his own".

 

 

Timon.

[sandspider]

Saw this on the internet (comments on a news site), not sure if all true:

 

1 - the block of flats was run not by any council but by KCTMO. This body

is made up of 8 TENANTS, 4 councilors and 3 independent members.

 

2 - Labour hold the seat that the block is situated in.

 

3 - Labour run the London Council who manage the under funded London Fire Service

 

4 - incidentally Emma Coad the sitting Labour MP for that ward also sat on the KCTMO.

 

5 - the advise to stay put which Sadiq Khan has been so vocal about was given by the London Fire Service.

 

6 - the decision to change contractors during the refurb was made by KCTMO.

 

7 - the decision not to spend a paltry £138k on fitting sprinklers again KCTMO.

 

8 - the decision to create ALMO organisation such as the KCTMO was made under the Right To Manage legislation passed in 2002

as part of the Commonhold and Leasehold Reform Act.

 

9 - this was put in place to give leasehold tenants a greater say and the ability to self manage, which has clearly proven to be a disaster.

 

10 - and which Govt was in a charge when this law was passed? Yup you guessed it Labour.

 

11 - Sadiq Khan as mayor of London Produced a report to say that the fire service did not need further funding.

 

12 -Emma Coad elected Labour MP was on the board of the Tenant Management group who are being accused of not listening to tenants.

 

Further, a friend who inspects properties in the area for gas safety compliance, confirms that so-called 'government cuts' had nothing to do with the decision of the KCTMO to choose sub-standard cladding. I quote her now: ''cladding wasn't the only work done on the block ...New kitchens new heating systems ..New flats created in the void space at the bottom of the block plus complete refurbishment of the amazing boxing gym / club within the block .....hardly slum housing eh ?''

[eggsarascal]

It wasn't the government that signed it off. The fire brigade for one would have to have signed off. Do you really think it was not up to regulations?

It was the local council that would have been part of signing off.

If anything the refurb cost far too much for far too little in return.

But covering a building in plastic can't be a bright idea yet some clever **** thought it was a good idea and got it past fire regulations.

The last change to fire regulations seems to have been in 2005 was that not a labour government in power?

You can't put this on either of the main parties.

Time will tell why but stop trying to grab cheap points in a poor attempt to bash the government

 

 

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Didn't Philip Hammond say to Andrew Marr on the weekend that the material used on Grenfell Tower is illegal in this country?

 

How it can meet regulations if it's illegal is beyond me.

[WesD]

It wasn't the government that signed it off. The fire brigade for one would have to have signed off. Do you really think it was not up to regulations?

 

It was the local council that would have been part of signing off.

 

If anything the refurb cost far too much for far too little in return.

 

But covering a building in plastic can't be a bright idea yet some clever **** thought it was a good idea and got it past fire regulations.

 

The last change to fire regulations seems to have been in 2005 was that not a labour government in power?

 

You can't put this on either of the main parties.

 

Time will tell why but stop trying to grab cheap points in a poor attempt to bash the government

 

 

 

 

 

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Didn't Philip Hammond say to Andrew Marr on the weekend that the material used on Grenfell Tower is illegal in this country?

 

 

 

How it can meet regulations if it's illegal is beyond me.

 

 

If Mr Hammond is correct then surely every signature that signed the work off should be under investigation.

 

Surely that negligence helped the fire spread. They are however not to blame for the fire surely the blame lies with the faulty appliance and falls under the term ACCIDENT.