Making the news today....

[Khriss]

11 hours ago, Mark J said:

You have the credibility of a saucepan.

No..... A saucepan is a functional item .  K

 

( judging by these posts this morn - think a few guys were on the sauce'  last night........... ?) 

[monkeybusiness]

This place is obviously full of experts so can you collectively answer me this please? - 

Until either a vaccine becomes available or we achieve herd immunity (and I’m talking nationally as well as globally here) how does the individual state’s approach make any difference to the total death rate once this virus has inevitably reached all corners of the earth?
Providing the relevant health-care services aren’t overwhelmed (as they were in Italy) then the actual death rates are surely inevitable, and will vary from country to country as a result of other factors (how deaths are reported is a massive one - dying ‘with’ and ‘because’ of Covid are very different scenarios), overall health and age of the population, effectiveness of the healthcare system (are many people still alive that perhaps wouldn’t be in other countries with lesser healthcare provision etc?). 
All of the measures being implemented everywhere are simply to slow the spread to manageable levels - we will surely all be exposed to this at some point and whether we survive or not doesn’t appear to be something that we can change at present.

[Khriss]

Am Not a Doctor,  however C19 like Influenza is here to stay and cannot be 100% eradicated. Just like Influenza. It will mutate to a different t strain like every other virus. It is sometimes lethal, like Influenza. We will get resistant to it, but deaths will still occur.    Coronavirus has been around for decades just like Influenza............. (  wont open that can of worms) 

 

How   .GOV   Responds to this will be the kicker, economically and socially. 

[Woodworks]

1 hour ago, monkeybusiness said:

how does the individual state’s approach make any difference to the total death rate once this virus has inevitably reached all corners of the earth?
 

Take it to the extreme and look at New Zealand who have 6 new cases and one new death. You can see they can open up and track and trace any new cases so totally containing the virus until a vaccine does become available. Most countries are tying to lower the cases to the point track and trace can keep up with a future spread. Some may even eliminate it within their boarders. 

 

Sure we are only buying time but it makes more sense than just leaving many to die IMO

 

Say we go down the "lets all get it route" and we lose as many as the WHO said is the death rate of 3.4%. That leaves us with 2,244,000 dead and then someone comes up with a vaccine! No government can handle that much blood on it hands thankfully

[monkeybusiness]

14 minutes ago, Woodworks said:

Take it to the extreme and look at New Zealand who have 6 new cases and one new death. You can see they can open up and track and trace any new cases so totally containing the virus until a vaccine does become available. Most countries are tying to lower the cases to the point track and trace can keep up with a future spread. Some may even eliminate it within their boarders. 

 

Sure we are only buying time but it makes more sense than just leaving many to die IMO

 

Say we go down the "lets all get it route" and we lose as many as the WHO said is the death rate of 3.4%. That leaves us with 2,244,000 dead and then someone comes up with a vaccine! No government can handle that much blood on it hands thankfully

Our economy and society are very different to New Zealand’s though - it wouldn’t have been possible to emulate their response in this country no-matter how early borders were closed IMO. Keeping it out/containing the virus in the U.K. for long enough for a vaccine to be developed would sink our economy. 

[Johnsond]

3 hours ago, Stere said:

Yanks  going batshit crazy overlockdown ?

 

Stormed the state house in michigan:

 

Think they have being playing to mch COD on the xbox?

 

 

They didn’t storm it at all they were exercising the rights they have to peaceful protest and to bear arms. 

[kevinjohnsonmbe]

Does anyone that supports international migration and a So-called ‘world without borders’ still need any evidence for the dangers of unrestricted migration?

 

 

[openspaceman]

1 hour ago, Woodworks said:

Sure we are only buying time but it makes more sense than just leaving many to die IMO

In that time our hospitals are learning better treatments and the survival rate may well go up.

 

BTW I posted months back that were a smallpox virus to get loose we were all naive to it, that would have had a 30% death rate in the absence of modern medicaal treatment. In fact it has been eliminated in the wild. I'm not aware if variola species are RNA viruses. Of course Jenner famously demonstrated a vaccine for smallpox.

 

Similarly HIV was fatal for the first 20 years of its appearance, there's still no cure or vaccine but there are treatement that control its spread and morbidity.

 

The problem here has been that air travel, in particular, has enabled the spread before countries outside China were properly aware.

 

It seems to me there was always a critical mass of humans necessary to propagate the virus once it evolved and in earlier times it may have died out naturally.

[Woodworks]

58 minutes ago, kevinjohnsonmbe said:

Does anyone that supports international migration and a So-called ‘world without borders’ still need any evidence for the dangers of unrestricted migration?

 

 

Is migration the main reason for international travel? I would hazard a guess that it accounts for a tiny proportion of seats on a plane/bus/ferry

[Johnsond]

1 hour ago, Woodworks said:

Is migration the main reason for international travel? I would hazard a guess that it accounts for a tiny proportion of seats on a plane/bus/ferry

I’d presume it’s referring to migration/movement rather than immigration ?‍♂️.

 

Edited May 2, 2020 by Johnsond