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[Mick Dempsey]

It’s all very well saying let’s not fuck things up whilst sitting in Devon, or the Charente for that matter.

 

Have you thought that the folks from N. Korea (where a quarter of the population were killed by US bombs) Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan and countless other recipients of some freedom, might consider things a bit fucked up already?

Edited June 22, 2019 by Mick Dempsey

[kevinjohnsonmbe]

13 minutes ago, openspaceman said:

Has always been so in my lifetime, 

 

 

 

, probably  when they first latched on to the Balfour declaration.

Interested to hear why you think Balfour declaration is central to US foreign policy (if I’ve understood what you meant?) and perhaps where in the equation global oil dependency sits as an influence. 

 

Maybe, just maybe, nations declaring zero carbon by 20XX will fundamentally change the dynamic? 

[kevinjohnsonmbe]

4 minutes ago, Mick Dempsey said:

It’s all very well saying let’s not fuck things up whilst sitting in Devon, or the Charente for that matter.

 

Have you thought that the folks from N. Korea (where a quarter of the population were killed by US bombs) Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan and countless other recipients of some freedom, might consider things a bit fucked up already?

Now that’s just plain Saturday night, 2nd bottle, completely unthinkable nonsense!

 

There’s NO WAY I’m going across the river to Devon!  ????

[Mick Dempsey]

Yeah, sorry, went a bit far on that one.

[openspaceman]

5 minutes ago, kevinjohnsonmbe said:

Interested to hear why you think Balfour declaration is central to US foreign policy (if I’ve understood what you meant?)

No I meant that was the start of US flexing their muscles and making poor foreign policy decisions.

 

As a nation they are insular but because of their history  highly prejudiced about the dismemberment of the british empire (I have no problem with the  british losing their overseas interests but it was done badly because of US influence). Their dogma and fear of communism was laughable were it not for the bloodshed it caused.

 

 

[kevinjohnsonmbe]

11 minutes ago, Mick Dempsey said:

It’s all very well saying let’s not fuck things up whilst sitting in Cornwall, or the Charente for that matter.

 

Have you thought that the folks from N. Korea (where a quarter of the population were killed by US bombs) Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan and countless other recipients of some freedom, might consider things a bit fucked up already?

North Korea - has the resident regime caught up or exceeded the US inflicted death toll yet?

 

Vietnam - haven’t got a reply to hand for that one 

 

Iraq - I stay in contact with the deputy major of Basra and I am in no doubt that the majority of that region are eternally grateful for the removal of Saddam. 

 

Afghanistan - I wasn’t there long enough to benefit from the type of personal relationships established in Iraq but I can make an educated guess that there is considerable relief at the demise of ISIS (maybe a ½ decent example of the medieval chaos which inevitably follows in the absence of a bad ass?)

[Mick Dempsey]

10 minutes ago, kevinjohnsonmbe said:

North Korea - has the resident regime caught up or exceeded the US inflicted death toll yet?

 

Vietnam - haven’t got a reply to hand for that one 

 

Iraq - I stay in contact with the deputy major of Basra and I am in no doubt that the majority of that region are eternally grateful for the removal of Saddam. 

 

Afghanistan - I wasn’t there long enough to benefit from the type of personal relationships established in Iraq but I can make an educated guess that there is considerable relief at the demise of ISIS (maybe a ½ decent example of the medieval chaos which inevitably follows in the absence of a bad ass?)

Hmmmm ISIS, was the destruction of ISIS the stated intention of the war in Afghanistan?

[kevinjohnsonmbe]

1 minute ago, Mick Dempsey said:

Hmmmm ISIS, was the destruction of ISIS the stated intention of the war in Afghanistan?

Noooo...  That would have been the war on drugs, which they 'forgot about' when the war for oil started...  ?  Then when they remembered again (a bit too late) it had a entirely different imperative...  Hey ho, things change - so long as the pals in Halliburton et al keep a steady stream of government contracts etc etc...

[openspaceman]

16 minutes ago, kevinjohnsonmbe said:

Iraq - I stay in contact with the deputy major of Basra and I am in no doubt that the majority of that region are eternally grateful for the removal of Saddam. 

but would the deputy mayor have reached that position under Sadam's regime? He probably owed his rank to the demise of Saddam. I have no doubt Saddam's was a bad regime (wasn't he there because of US  wanting a proxy to fight Iran?) but was the cost  in life and instability a good way to do it?

[kevinjohnsonmbe]

9 minutes ago, openspaceman said:

but would the deputy mayor have reached that position under Sadam's regime? He probably owed his rank to the demise of Saddam. I have no doubt Saddam's was a bad regime (wasn't he there because of US  wanting a proxy to fight Iran?) but was the cost  in life and instability a good way to do it?

Who knows, but my guess would be no - because he'd still be what he was before the 2003 war - a colonel in the Iraqi army, but not a Ba'ath party member nor and Sunni and from the historically despised (by Saddam) SE region of the country.

 

Depends who you ask I guess...  One of the dinner guests that was fed to the lions by Uday (if they weren't already dead) (I visited his palace, saw those cages and walked those passageways - put a reet chill into your soul) might have a similar view as someone that was starving to death in the South who, conversely, might have an entirely different view to someone from within the privileged inner circle of the Ba'ath party in Baghdad...  Like Mick said earlier, depends who you ask I guess.