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[daveindales]

What about his friendship with Hamas and Hezbollah? Are they the kind of people we want to have open dialogue with as well?

 

 

Timon.

 

A recent poll suggests that 13% of jews intend to vote for Corbyn. Given his track record on anti semitism I'm surprised it's that many.

[Commando]

"You don't do your argument any favours by just insulting the opposition".

 

Ha ha thats funny! So its ok for you to comment/spew/insult (about) Theresa May and the Conservative party?

 

Opposition? There is no opposition, parliament has been dissolved!

[TIMON]

Which part of 'condemns all terrorism' are you struggling with? Does talking to people automatically equate to friendship or could it be a means to solving continuing problems? Do a bit of research and find out the answer Corbyn has consistently given when this smokescreen keeps being brought up. Anyway, you wouldn't want to talk to people when military action is obviously working out so well, would you?

 

In other news today, another example of Conservative reliability and trustworthiness.

 

 

 

Tories U-turn on plan to build more socially rented council housing | The Independent

 

 

I don't believe for one nano second that he really does condemn ALL terrorism.

It seems like acts of terror are the currency used to get an invite to sit at his table. His inaction to address the problems of anti Semitism in his party spoke volumes.

I don't believe we are seeing the "real" Corbyn at this campaign, what we are seeing is his "public representative" facade.

I wouldn't trust him.

 

 

Timon.

[felixthelogchopper]

"You don't do your argument any favours by just insulting the opposition".

 

Ha ha thats funny! So its ok for you to comment/spew/insult (about) Theresa May and the Conservative party?

 

Opposition? There is no opposition, parliament has been dissolved!

 

Please do give me an example where I have insulted the opposition(the word does have a meaning beyond parliamentary useage). Rather than repeatedly calling somebody 'creature' the way you have been which is the height of debate, of course.

[felixthelogchopper]

I don't believe for one nano second that he really does condemn ALL terrorism.

It seems like acts of terror are the currency used to get an invite to sit at his table. His inaction to address the problems of anti Semitism in his party spoke volumes.

I don't believe we are seeing the "real" Corbyn at this campaign, what we are seeing is his "public representative" facade.

I wouldn't trust him.

 

 

Timon.

 

I do choose to believe him so we're never going to agree on that one, sadly. It's unfortunate but while Corbyn is being pilloried for talking with Sinn Fein etc, rather less was made of the fact that the Conservatives have had in their party 2 former members of the PIRA or that they are encouraging trade deals with the Saudis. If by the anti-semitism you mean Livingstone then he did explain that last night in the Leaders 'debate'. He is the Party Leader, not dictator, and so the investigation is ongoing by other members of the party while Livingstone remains on suspension.

With regards to public facades, do you really believe that we see the 'real' anybody in life, beyond our immediate circle of friends and family? I'm choosing Corbyn because I like Labour's policies more than the Conservatives. If you disregard the sour grapes factor, I find it telling that even George Osborne is talking May down in the Standard.

 

George Osborne's London Evening Standard labels Theresa May's manifesto 'most disastrous in history' | The Independent

[Rough Hewn]

Hmmm, it's worrying when politics comes down to who you believe in.

 

 

 

 

 

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[felixthelogchopper]

Hmmm, it's worrying when politics comes down to who you believe in.

 

 

 

 

 

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That seems to be the way it is going, especially when not everybody puts out a clear manifesto. I think it's more worrying when the media think it's up to them to decide for the rest of us and manipulate the information to do so.

[skyhuck]

Corbyn seem to think taking the moral high ground is the path to success. It's a lovely idea, but in reality it just does not work.

 

He uses this thinking regarding both the EU deal and trident. Obviously no one wants to use trident, but stating you won't makes it pointless, a deterrent has be at least plausible to be real. The exact same is true of the EU Brexit deal, if there is no real chance of us walking away, what possible incentive do they have to offer us a decent deal

 

Sadly I fear he is totally detached from reality, his appointment of Abbot should evidence enough of this for any one, surely?

[Stumpy Grinder]

£18,488 per annum for a soldier.

Less than £10 an hour to lay your life on the line?

Because our governments, both Tory and labour think that's your worth???

£18,504 starting wage for civil servants.

Hmmmm

Who you all voting for?

Party (a) doesn't give a sh** about you.

or...

Party (b) doesn't give a sh** about you.

Great choices.

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You raise an excellent analogy to explain the crisis that this will cause!

The actual starting wage of a recruit in training is £14,931 which then raises to £18,488 once trained. But it is this start figure that would have to increase. Based on a 2080 hour working year which is the industry recognised standard, £14,931 equates to £7.18/Hour.

The entire Army pay scales are based on rank with annual increments within those ranks which are capped. There are specialist pay bands etc, but the basic framework is based on rank and time served.

So, if you increase very bottom by about 30%, the entire pay structure above would have to increase by the same amount to retain parity?

This is not just true of the Army, but most organisations?

Going by Labour policy though, the answer will be simple. They will just take the money required to fund the lower ranks from those above the rank of let's say Brigadier? They can obviously afford it and won't mind will they? They will just stay in the Army and soldier on whilst earning the same wage or less than the rank below them. No further chance of a wage increase or point in promotion. Simple - what could possibly go wrong with that idea?

Does that sound familiar?

SG

[Saw-sick Steve]

I don't believe for one nano second that he really does condemn ALL terrorism.

It seems like acts of terror are the currency used to get an invite to sit at his table. His inaction to address the problems of anti Semitism in his party spoke volumes.

I don't believe we are seeing the "real" Corbyn at this campaign, what we are seeing is his "public representative" facade.

I wouldn't trust him.

 

 

Timon.

Luckily good 'ol Mother Theresa wouldn't do anything like that - now, remind me ,which country is it again that's the major sponsor of Islamic terrorism?

 

Home Office may not publish terrorist funding report amid claims it focuses on Saudi Arabia | The Independent

Utterly hypocritical behaviour from the Tories again - oh, we'll be tough on terrorism all right, but willing to overlook it if you buy our arms and have got lots of oil. The double standards are so obvious, but - yet again - why are the BBC not covering this? Oh, yeh, that's right, they're all 'lefties'...