Rip, twang, kipper-bang

[teepeeat]

Here's an oak that came down a few weeks ago.

What would be the consensus on what to do with the remaining half - it is on our boundry and weighted toward our side so only potential target is our powerlines although not certain it will reach them. Guess it would be the power company's call.

[peds]

On 04/10/2010 at 01:17, Graham said:

To go along with the onamatipaeic thread title: if a tree falls in a forest and no one is around to hear it does it make a sound? I'll get me coat:001_smile:

 

On 04/10/2010 at 08:17, skyhuck said:

 

No.

 

The vibrations and other things that make up "sound" only become "sound" once they have passed through an auditory device such as an ear. So if there is no one there to hear it, it makes no sound

 

Look, I hate to drag up a comment from nearly a decade ago, but I can't help but feel that this is a very anthropocentric way of looking at the situation. Even allowing for your idea that sound waves only become sound waves once they are registered by an ear or similarly capable device, you have to accept that it isn't only human ears that do this, and it is naive to assume that the forest in which your notional silent tree has fallen is devoid of any life advanced enough to detect those vibrations. Lifeforms of almost every size, including some of the most basic multi-cellular organisms and even some single-celled organisms, have been observed to react to sound waves, so to suggest that a forest (even a particularly small one) is not home to any kind of life capable of hearing your tree fall is ridiculous.

 

It is not the detection of the vibrations themselves that transforms them into sound waves, it is their very creation.

 

 

Edited October 2, 2018 by peds

[skyhuck]

15 hours ago, peds said:

 

 

Look, I hate to drag up a comment from nearly a decade ago, but I can't help but feel that this is a very anthropocentric way of looking at the situation. Even allowing for your idea that sound waves only become sound waves once they are registered by an ear or similarly capable device, you have to accept that it isn't only human ears that do this, and it is naive to assume that the forest in which your notional silent tree has fallen is devoid of any life advanced enough to detect those vibrations. Lifeforms of almost every size, including some of the most basic multi-cellular organisms and even some single-celled organisms, have been observed to react to sound waves, so to suggest that a forest (even a particularly small one) is not home to any kind of life capable of hearing your tree fall is ridiculous.

 

It is not the detection of the vibrations themselves that transforms them into sound waves, it is their very creation.

 

 

 I did not say it needed to be a "human" ear.

[Mick Dempsey]

But you did say “no one” as opposed to nothing, this implies a human.

 

Morning Dave btw.

 

 

Edited October 3, 2018 by Mick Dempsey

[Mark J]

Inonotus obliquus culprit on Birch in Sunny Northumberland.

[Alycidon]

Ash snapped off in a July storm,  trunk which was over 4 feet in diameter was rotten up the middle.  Had two down that night,  one on the road that the council cleared and the wood fairies did most of the rest,

[Mick Dempsey]

Roadside oak failure that caught my eye.

 

 Fairly sparse crown, usual physical damage, flails etc.

 

Look at the punky wood, ganoderma something or other, I know there are two similar sorts.

 

 

Edited February 21, 2019 by Mick Dempsey

[tree-fancier123]

14 hours ago, Mick Dempsey said:

Roadside oak failure that caught my eye.

thanks for sharing - that top image is helpful to me, as I want to show a customer what can happen to oak when ganoderma takes hold. Last autumn I found a large bracket around the back of a tree, hidden near a fence. Foolishly I cut the bracket off the tree thinking ' don't want that horrid thing releasing spores onto any nearby pruning wounds'. It dawned on me afterwards that the bracket would be required evidence if a consultant was ever called upon to assess the trees. It will probably grow back in the autumn, but the tree is in a parking area, so I will have to write and inform the owner of the risk. If I send your picture too it will illustrate the risk. Don't think I will be volunteering to clamber on it. Russian roulette.

Do you remember the story on here of a lad working in the states who was asked to do a dead red oak and told his foreman he had stomach ache, foreman said are you sure? then got his own spikes on and knocked it out in 20 mins, came down drove the truck out on the road and said 'now chip it' to the 'coward' who had to drag it all the way to the truck. I would rather be an alive coward, possibly. The foreman got away with it, but another arbtalk tale I rember of a climber in germany where a dead beech collapsed on him, is now paralyzed

 

 

[Robbyrasta]

Failed a while ago it would seem

[AHPP]

 

 

 

Small fry but a nice split. Why should one die while two live? Pretty similar amount of cambium on all.