HMRC punitively changing 4 door pickup rules

[Dan Maynard]

1 hour ago, josharb87 said:

What’s that all mean in practice then? How much would tax be? 

Depends on the emissions, pickups probably towards the top of the scale so say 35% for example . This means under company car rules you are taxed as if you have been paid cash equal to 35% of the list price of the car per year.

 

If you're earning in the 20% bracket then tax bill is 20% on that 35% of the list price say £30k, which would be £2100 per year. Obviously if you're in the 40% bracket you'll have to cough up £4200.

 

Electric vehicles sit at silly low tax rate, hence why so many company cars are electric despite high purchase price.

 

And @PeteB is working out if he can import a Tesla cyber truck.

[GarethM]

Aren't the Tesla trucks rusting in the California rain ?, even the cocaine smuggling DeLoreon built a stainless steel car in Ireland that didn't rust!.

 

In all seriousness, it's just another excuse to tinker around the edges, it'll all be clarified at the budget where they'll make everything more complicated.

 

Google says 17,000 pages under Gordon Brown, I think it's now beyond the scope of those newspaper printers!.

Edited February 18 by GarethM

[Big J]

You hardly see any pickups here in Sweden. You get reamed for tax with them here, and in all honesty, they aren't that useful except as a hybrid work/family vehicle. 

 

From my experience though:

 

* A van tows far better. Much more stable.

* A van also carries far more kit, and for someone very tall like me, a large van offers far more space for the driver.

* Almost any car is a better family vehicle. More economical, quieter, more comfortable and often more interior space. I recall with the Navara being entirely unable to be a passenger in front of a baby seat in the back. I couldn't actually get my legs in.

 

The only reason that pickups are so popular in the UK is the tax breaks. There are much better vehicles out there for actually working. 

[Mike Hill]

I can't think of much worse for towing than a van. Honestly,you are increasing the wind sail probably 70% to a pickup,no low box and family sedan running  gear.

 

Maybe if you are towing your flower stall to the Sunday Market?

[lux]

7 minutes ago, Big J said:

You hardly see any pickups here in Sweden. You get reamed for tax with them here, and in all honesty, they aren't that useful except as a hybrid work/family vehicle. 

 

From my experience though:

 

* A van tows far better. Much more stable.

* A van also carries far more kit, and for someone very tall like me, a large van offers far more space for the driver.

* Almost any car is a better family vehicle. More economical, quieter, more comfortable and often more interior space. I recall with the Navara being entirely unable to be a passenger in front of a baby seat in the back. I couldn't actually get my legs in.

 

The only reason that pickups are so popular in the UK is the tax breaks. There are much better vehicles out there for actually working. 

Its all down to the individuals use /s isn't it.   I find mine a really good blend of useful for work and useful for domestic duties. It regularly tows across fields etc when I wouldn't even dream of taking a normal van on that type of ground. Fits a lot of kit in the back nicely, had a really good canopy made by N and J aluminium. Wet dogs can go in there without messing up the inside of a car. Sheep and straw bales/feed 

I would imagine given how tall you are if you put a child seat in most family hatch backs you'd struggle to get your legs in. Couldn't see you fitting in my little Peugeot 4 door hatch.  

Vans tend to have a much more upright seating position with more headroom. 

Now the kids are older and drive the rear seats dont really get used in mine but Ive no intention to sell it. Worth more to me than the money although the residuals are quite good. If the sprinter 4x4 van wasn't such a big price I could be swayed, that's a tidy and useful van for sure. 

 

 

[Big J]

5 minutes ago, lux said:

Its all down to the individuals use /s isn't it.   I find mine a really good blend of useful for work and useful for domestic duties. It regularly tows across fields etc when I wouldn't even dream of taking a normal van on that type of ground. Fits a lot of kit in the back nicely, had a really good canopy made by N and J aluminium. Wet dogs can go in there without messing up the inside of a car. Sheep and straw bales/feed 

I would imagine given how tall you are if you put a child seat in most family hatch backs you'd struggle to get your legs in. Couldn't see you fitting in my little Peugeot 4 door hatch.  

Vans tend to have a much more upright seating position with more headroom. 

Now the kids are older and drive the rear seats dont really get used in mine but Ive no intention to sell it. Worth more to me than the money although the residuals are quite good. If the sprinter 4x4 van wasn't such a big price I could be swayed, that's a tidy and useful van for sure. 

 

 

 

I had a Sprinter 4x4. It was an impressive machine and damned comfortable too. A bit heavy for offroad work in the SW, though pretty much everything got sucked into the mud there. 

 

A lot of people have smaller 4x4 vans here. Dangel converted Citroen Berlingos are very popular and as are 4motion Caddys. We don't have anywhere near the same mud issues here though. 

 

I think part of it is probably specific to me. I really, genuinely struggled to fit into any pickup if I had work gear on (chainsaw trousers and boots). I don't know why they build the cabs so small. Vans are so much more massive, internally.

[josharb87]

2 hours ago, Dan Maynard said:

Depends on the emissions, pickups probably towards the top of the scale so say 35% for example . This means under company car rules you are taxed as if you have been paid cash equal to 35% of the list price of the car per year.

 

If you're earning in the 20% bracket then tax bill is 20% on that 35% of the list price say £30k, which would be £2100 per year. Obviously if you're in the 40% bracket you'll have to cough up £4200.

 

Electric vehicles sit at silly low tax rate, hence why so many company cars are electric despite high purchase price.

 

And @PeteB is working out if he can import a Tesla cyber truck.

is that if you’re using a company owned vehicle privately? 
 

What’s the road tax like on new pickups in the uk? 

[difflock]

3 hours ago, Bolt said:

Maybe, but I always assumed the pickup size was directly proportional to the inability to park, like, at all, during the school run.

 

Fixed that for you.

Edited February 18 by difflock

[lux]

3 hours ago, Big J said:

 

I had a Sprinter 4x4. It was an impressive machine and damned comfortable too. A bit heavy for offroad work in the SW, though pretty much everything got sucked into the mud there. 

 

A lot of people have smaller 4x4 vans here. Dangel converted Citroen Berlingos are very popular and as are 4motion Caddys. We don't have anywhere near the same mud issues here though. 

 

I think part of it is probably specific to me. I really, genuinely struggled to fit into any pickup if I had work gear on (chainsaw trousers and boots). I don't know why they build the cabs so small. Vans are so much more massive, internally.

There’s no doubt vans are roomy.  The sprinter cab is very comfy / roomy.  It would be a big factor for someone your height buying a vehicle.  Less of a factor for most of us. The ex power company 4x4 ones look a fairly good purchase.  Usually have power / workshop in the back that would have cost a pretty penny to install and very useful.  
sone of the posties have those 4x4 berlingo type vans.  Handy little things but wouldn’t cope with the work I ask of the pick-up.  
horses for courses I suppose 

[Big J]

59 minutes ago, lux said:

There’s no doubt vans are roomy.  The sprinter cab is very comfy / roomy.  It would be a big factor for someone your height buying a vehicle.  Less of a factor for most of us. The ex power company 4x4 ones look a fairly good purchase.  Usually have power / workshop in the back that would have cost a pretty penny to install and very useful.  
sone of the posties have those 4x4 berlingo type vans.  Handy little things but wouldn’t cope with the work I ask of the pick-up.  
horses for courses I suppose 

 

If ever I were to get a pickup here, I'd just go American. The roads are massive and empty compared to the UK, and a Yank pickup is more suited to my size. I'd say you probably see as many American pickups here as Japanese.

 

Our family car is a 4x4 T5 Caravelle. Not super cheap to run but it's bloody versatile. I've transported pianos in the back of it, driven very long distances and on Friday pulled a Kia out of a ditch after it pulled too far over to let a car pass.