Right, wrong, or just playing the game?

[trigger_andy]

Just now, eggsarascal said:

Nothing weird about what he said, you just tried to make it look that. Why would an educated law man try to educate an argumentative man?

Night Eggs.  

[eggsarascal]

2 minutes ago, trigger_andy said:

Night Eggs.  

Only because you know both of us are close to getting blocked from this forum, or you’d be running your mouth. I care neither way. Night Andy.

[Steve Bullman]

9 hours ago, eggsarascal said:

Only because you know both of us are close to getting blocked from this forum, or you’d be running your mouth. I care neither way. Night Andy.

the important thing is that you had the last say. Go you!

[scbk]

1 hour ago, Steve Bullman said:

the important thing is that you had the last say. Go you!

As an old pal would say "he who laughs last laughs longest"

 

 

Great guy, terrible undertaker.

[Stere]

Mog the thick persons idea of a  clever person,  the torys  attempt at gerrymandering seems like it backfired which he admits in this article: 🙂

 

Local elections 2023: Voter ID backfired on Tories, says Rees-Mogg

WWW.BBC.CO.UK

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The ex-minister suggests his party brought in the controversial measure to boost their election chances.

 

Voter suppression in the United States - Wikipedia

EN.WIKIPEDIA.ORG

 

Edited May 18, 2023 by Stere

[sime42]

Nice appraisal. Maybe it's the ridiculously posh accent that makes some people think he's clever.

 

[openspaceman]

33 minutes ago, sime42 said:

Nice appraisal. Maybe it's the ridiculously posh accent that makes some people think he's clever.

 

He is clever he just has a belief system that doesn't allow for the fact we live on a finite planet.

[doobin]

17 hours ago, Mark J said:

Should the age of consent. and that for joining the armed forces be raised to 21 too?

Interesting question. I see where you are going with this, and I would counter you by pointing out the existing rights that you currently gain when you turn 21. They all involve a very large amount of responsibility- adopting a child, supervising a learner driver and gaining your commercial pilots license. 
 

You could argue that voting is not as important as the above, and given our current shitshow of a system I’d be inclined to agree with you. What I would like, however, is a society where people take their civic responsibilities seriously, and as such I’d support PR with a voting age of 21 so that people would have some actual life experience rather than being swayed by parties (admittedly usually left wing, there’s my bias) promising freebies. 
 

I’d keep the age of enlistment at 16 with parents consent and 18 otherwise. The army is a great force for good in many otherwise troubled young lives. In recognition of their service to this country, I’d also have an exemption from the voting age for service members. You could of course then argue that public sector workers should be given earlier votes also, but I would limit to to those who sign up to risk their lives for this country. 
 

 

[sime42]

1 hour ago, openspaceman said:

He is clever he just has a belief system that doesn't allow for the fact we live on a finite planet.

Ummm ........ fair point but it's a heavily flawed kind of cleverness that doesn't grasp the simple concept of finite vs. infinite. So, JRM could be clever, but severely limited by blinkered beliefs, at best. 

 

This brings to mind the wider question of the difference between clever and intelligent. Mr Google states;-

"""Intelligence: the ability to understand ideas, people and things. Cleverness: the ability to manipulate ideas, people and things."""

It's only one of many obviously, but by this definition then most of today's politicians are clever rather than intelligent.

 

 

 

[trigger_andy]

2 hours ago, Stere said:

Mog the thick persons idea of a  clever person,  the torys  attempt at gerrymandering seems like it backfired which he admits in this article: 🙂

 

Local elections 2023: Voter ID backfired on Tories, says Rees-Mogg

WWW.BBC.CO.UK

---

The ex-minister suggests his party brought in the controversial measure to boost their election chances.

 

Voter suppression in the United States - Wikipedia

EN.WIKIPEDIA.ORG

 

Why does the left hate the idea of voter ID? What possible reasoning could there be to not enforce it?