Wages for employees

[benedmonds]

2 hours ago, Mark J said:

3 hours ago, Doug Tait said:

The OP did specifically ask about wages for employees.

The original discussion has moved and the thread has wandered.  But the same applies discussing wages, half the people on here will quote what they pay a climber for an odd day compared to a company paying an employee PAYE. 

 

[Doug Tait]

9 minutes ago, benedmonds said:

 

I don't know if other trades have this confusion or it's just Arb, but I'm surprised at how often employed, self employed, sub contractors etc are mixed up.

I've often heard employed guys moaning about being underpaid compared to the subbies but many don't recognise the cost of ppe, training, time off etc as being part of what they earn. 

[Mark Bolam]

It’s definitely not just arb Doug.

 

[Doug Tait]

3 minutes ago, Mark Bolam said:

It’s definitely not just arb Doug.

 

Green eyed monster is everywhere then!

[Woodruff]

I pay my guys in blood sweat and tears at the moment they are going out for an arm and a leg . I was paying peanuts but only got to  employ monkeys. And they had no tickets

[Mick Dempsey]

5 minutes ago, Woodruff said:

I pay my guys in blood sweat and tears at the moment they are going out for an arm and a leg . I was paying peanuts but only got to  employ monkeys. And they had no tickets

You what now?

[eggsarascal]

4 hours ago, Doug Tait said:

Ok, to answer the question, yes i would work for less than Mark suggested (as an employee, maybe not if taking jobs as an actual subcontractor which is what he referred to).

 

I think the level of earning has much more value to you than I. As long as I earn "enough" then I rate my lifestyle, time with loved ones etc as being more important. I'm mortgage free, had a private pension since I started work at 17, and couldn't be happier with what I do for work. Lot more to life than just earning more...

Yes there is much more to life than earning money, and in three and a bit years time my pension will kick in. In the meantime I want the going rate for a qualified/ticketed/experienced tradesman, and £13/hour does not cut it.

[Mark Bolam]

The difference between PAYE and SE to an employer is phenomenal.

 

Employers NI, holiday, sick, paternity, pension, PPE, vehicles, kit etc.

 

The guy on £130/day on the books will cost a lot more than the SE guy on £200.

[Mark Bolam]

17 minutes ago, eggsarascal said:

Yes there is much more to life than earning money, and in three and a bit years time my pension will kick in. In the meantime I want the going rate for a qualified/ticketed/experienced tradesman, and £13/hour does not cut it.

I think a change is coming mate.

There are simply not enough youngsters willing or able to go into skilled manual trades, so rates will rise.

 

Probably be spot on by the time we retire!

 

To me, an HGV driver, skilled machine operator, or skilled manual tradesman should be worth far more than a computer games designer.

 

As these skills become scarcer the public will have to catch up to the idea.

 

Or their bins won’t be getting emptied.

[doobin]

3 minutes ago, Mark Bolam said:

I think a change is coming mate.

There are simply not enough youngsters willing or able to go into skilled manual trades, so rates will rise.

 

Probably be spot on by the time we retire!

 

To me, an HGV driver, skilled machine operator, or skilled manual tradesman should be worth far more than a computer games designer.

 

As these skills become scarcer the public will have to catch up to the idea.

 

Or their bins won’t be getting emptied.

A skilled computer games designer can make a company a lot of money- there is a mass market for these products, despite what you or I think of them. 
 

Anyone can be trained up to be a digger driver (cpcs) in a week or so. We’d call them a seat filler, but hs2 and other bloated government projects are full of them. 
 

The whole working culture of the UK needs to change. Look at Scandinavia.