£15/hour

[eggsarascal]

If £15/hour is out of the way for a lot of people why is it acceptable that a house share (around here) costs £450-£600/month.

 

Not that I'm saying either is right or wrong, just curious.

[Retired Climber]

Out of the way? 

[Johnnyboxer]

Lincs veg growers are offering £30/hr if the pickers can achieve their piece work targets, aren’t they ?

[Stere]

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Out of the way? 

beyond the pale

[eggsarascal]

54 minutes ago, Johnnyboxer said:

Lincs veg growers are offering £30/hr if the pickers can achieve their piece work targets, aren’t they ?

If you can hit the numbers, what they don't tell you is, the numbers are almost unacheivable. Do you know differently? When were you last picking Veg on the Lincs Fens?

Edited October 1, 2021 by eggsarascal

[Jack.P]

12 hours ago, eggsarascal said:

If you can hit the numbers, what they don't tell you is, the numbers are almost unacheivable. Do you know differently? When were you last picking Veg on the Lincs Fens?

Likely Almost impossible.just trying to entice people in .

piece rate fencing was the same and you’d only get there advertised day rate ie 200 if you’d spend the next week on the sofa recovering .working like that definitely not sustainable for over a few days  

[Richard 1234]

In theory it’s fine until everyone else wants 60% on top too which they will. Hyperinflation would be the outcome in my opinion though I could well be wrong.

[Haironyourchest]

This debate comes up in America all the time, and the results are known. Jacking up minimum wage only benefits the bottom tier in the very short term, as the wider economy repositions quickly to cancel out the increased wage.

 

Employers can't afford the increased wage burden, so they sack the least productive workers. This puts more pressure on the productive ones who end up working harder to take up the slack. The sacked workers draw Dole which increases the tax burden which in turn is shouldered by the economy, further straining the employers by way of their customers having less disposable income...the landlord class cotton on to the increased spending power of the workers and raise the rent. The end result is you've removed some half-way productive people from the labor force and everyone is worse off...

 

 

 

Edited October 1, 2021 by Haironyourchest

[spuddog0507]

£15 hr is a fair rate for some but not for others, as Big J says some people need to stay away from a work site as they will never fit in, i have 1 guy who works with us and he does work, he can fell tree after tree all day but cant use a tape measure so some logs end up under size and that costs, if he is just on 2,5 mtr firewood its ok but not on saw logs, another guy i pay him well as i dont need to watch him or check anything its all done right, 

 Back in the yard i pay lads £10 a IBC cage for splitting firewood one lad will do 2 + cages an hour and the other lad ( if he turns up ) when he gets there he just wants to arse about on his phone and struggles to do one an hour, he then complains that he has worked hard and he only got £40 for the day !! and the other lad gets £140, should i subsidise him the other £100 ? and me loose out NO he will just have to learn that in life you sometimes have to put some effort in to get the reward !! Some people will never understand how things work with in business, and the older i get the more i think some of the younger lads are just not worth entertaining,

  

[difflock]

That old adage "work smarter, not harder" applies as much to semi-skilled manual labouring as to any other endevour, there are those who shave significent seconds, or fractions of seconds off every individual operation, by thinking about they are doing and being properly ergonomically positioned  in the right place, to be as effective as possible, and with the least effort,(which boils down to "making it look easy") and those who are simply cack-handed or uninterested.

As I am fond of saying; "we are all different" and most unfortunately;"ye cant fix stupid".

And yes, there are those that society would be better subsidizing to stay at home.

Even something as simple as say litter picking along the roads needs brain function, at the very least to avoid needlessly causing frustration or the possibility of a RTC due to inconsiderate work vehicle parking, and also to avoid being struck by other vehicles.

Perhaps there needs to be a new siteworks/roadworks sign; "Darwin works here"