Background to the HSE decision on two rope working

[Konstantly]

33 minutes ago, stihlmadasever said:

How does this affect a rescue scenario?

Would a rescue climber have to instill 2 ropes to perform a rescue?

Also how will this affect a spiking up a stem in a rescue situation?

 

I think a qualification in needle point is now required to perform such tasks..

[Stubby]

10 hours ago, Mark Bolam said:

HSE have just confirmed you will have to wear two sets of spikes.

Cracker !

[Gary Prentice]

11 hours ago, stihlmadasever said:

How does this affect a rescue scenario?

Would a rescue climber have to instill 2 ropes to perform a rescue?

Also how will this affect a spiking up a stem in a rescue situation?

 

That depends whether the tree was being pruned or removed 

[Khriss]

1 minute ago, Gary Prentice said:

That depends whether the tree was being pruned or removed 

Wot...... just spike up the back of the trunk , then the Network Rail inspector can't see yr gaff-outs. K

[openspaceman]

16 hours ago, Gary Prentice said:

I'm f**k*** glad I've more or less retired from climbing. 

more or less?? Anyway me too but then I never had any climbing training though manage to collect a set of NPTC certs for it.

 

Last commercial climbing was when I was 60

[openspaceman]

1 hour ago, Khriss said:

Network Rail inspector can't see yr gaff-outs. K

IME they were too lazy to come out and look so depended on the photos you send them.

[carlos]

i ve been thinking that in order to appease the hse , then  one easy enough step to take that probably wouldnt effect ones climbing too much would be,

a second back up anchor point, in the form of a split tail and ring or somthing similar tied off to a different stem or lower down.

not sure how this could be retrivable but iam sure someone would figure it out.

if this became best practice then it could help their concerns over anchor point failure.

carl

[Tom D]

It had crossed my mind that a line attached to a cambium saver / rope guide running through a crotch and down the back of the tree to a basal tie off as in an SRT setup would effectively back up that anchor point. But then I'm not sure how big an issue anchor failure really is? Ironically the one time I have snapped one was when I was tied in on two lines which allowed me to 'push the envelope' in a pollard full of weak attachments, as was mentioned in a post earlier. 

[Pete Mctree]

the 2nd line used in the irata world is not a working line. It is a backup attached usually dorsally or sternally with a device that follows the climber and only comes into play when needed. This does not transfer well to treework where task, equipment & method  are different & where the Issues arise 

[dumper]

Can someone enlighten me,if the industry refuses to follow the approved code of practice and AA say it’s wrong how can it be enforced surely it’s no longer approved?