Big J on radio 4..

[difflock]

12 minutes ago, AHPP said:

That is absolutely not what he said and you know it. You've done similar talking to me on this thread too.

To quote "J"

"I'm not asking for special treatment, rather to be considered on the same footing as a farm."

 

 This clearly states that farmers do not get special treatment, by way of direct inference.

 

just saying like.

Edited August 29, 2019 by difflock

[kevinjohnsonmbe]

55 minutes ago, eggsarascal said:

... And some folk understand sarcasm, others don't but that's the nature of Internet forums.

I think he might have double spoofed you there ??s

[eggsarascal]

1 minute ago, kevinjohnsonmbe said:

I think he might have double spoofed you there ??s

Quite possibly, never sure with folk you don't 'mix' with often.

[Mick Dempsey]

Because there’s no situation that can’t be answered with a Father Ted reference..

11 minutes ago, kevinjohnsonmbe said:

I think he might have double spoofed you there ??s

 

[Khriss]

"Small......... Far Away...." bit like some peoples intellect. K

[Conor Wright]

28 minutes ago, Khriss said:

"Small......... Far Away...." bit like some peoples intellect. K

... careful now!

[Chalgravesteve]

15 hours ago, Big J said:

What you describe regarding a philanthropic land owner isn't a million miles away from what we'd like to do in the medium term building low cost housing in rural communities around us. High quality, well designed, eco friendly houses, built for key workers (teachers, emergency services, rural workers etc) built simply but smartly and brought to market below market rate. This would be partly on account of hopefully finding a land vendor with a philanthropic bent and partly by economising on the build by using modular systems. Such houses could be resold at any stage, but any increase in the asking price could only match overall national house price increases and should they choose to sell at full market rate, the excess profit would go directly to the community. It would be a covenant that would cover that. It's just an idea at this stage.

But as soon as you link any future resale value to an open market rate, when the property is not available to sell on the open market, then you have a distorted gain, particularly for the first owner (which must impact upon the price paid by the second surely?).

 

So the only way to do this, that maintains the original principle of the philanthropic land donation (and as someone else pointed out, this could be achieved through state owned land (or land owned by the church as they are one of the biggest landowners of all)) is to remove the house price increase profit element from the equation. The recipient/custodian of the property gains a property at an affordable rate and the property remains permanently tied to that principle. 

 

Someone who moves in and as their life/career progresses becomes more able to afford a "normal" house, can move out and do so.

 

 

[Squaredy]

I have been reading this thread with interest.  Fair play Jonathon you are good at starting interesting threads.

 

I think anyone who doesn't see the down side of the high property prices in the UK is being a little naive.  A lot of people have benefited from the high price of property and land....mainly land owners and anyone who owns more than one house especially.  And of course anyone who inherits a house or a share of.  The majority of people in the UK have done very nicely out of this bubble.  I may do one day when my parents/in-laws pop their clogs. 

 

But you have to feel for anyone trying to get their foot on the property ladder.  That is really what Big J is talking about.  OK he is wanting to do it slightly differently from most, but before the last 20 years of crazy property value increases it would have been probably quite feasible for him to do exactly what he is suggesting.  For an average decent family home in Devon to be worth maybe £350,000 when Devon is full of people in the tourist industry earning maybe £17,000 per year is a huge problem.  The system is broken.  Same problem in London and most of South East England.  Many people can only ever rent (at a rate that means they will never be able to save up a deposit) or hope they will one day inherit.

 

It is a very sad situation, not for the majority who are doing very nicely thank you, but for the millions who may never be able to get on the property ladder, and are stuck in a cycle of ever-increasing rent.

 

I for one think that if Brexit means the property market crashes, or at least drops 20% or so this could be very welcome relief for a lot of people.

 

I also want to just say that it is so ironic that as this thread highlights, the only type of activity that is fully supported and for which an AOC is likely to be granted is exactly the sort of activity that is contributing vastly to global warming and food insecurity.  Sustainable profitable forestry is not allowed, yet unsustainable animal agriculture is encouraged and heavily subsidised.  And when I say unsustainable animal agriculture, I am not suggesting all animal husbandry is unsustainable, but if you take a look at the bigger picture such farming is most certainly unsustainable.

[eggsarascal]

I agree with the vast majority of the above but, J says he's a first time buyer that wants a big family home with sheds, or the room to build sheds and a few acres of land, I'm afraid that isn't how it works unless you are rolling in money. Most folk from the 'baby boom' generation who are sitting on property worth big money started with a terraced house, or a semi. They didn't just rush out and buy a big house in a big plot of land.

[difflock]

Eggs, Simon is it?, 

Anyway, despite our philosophical differences, we too started out with a previously owned and run-down 1100 sqft timber frame bungalow and very second hand furniture, plus a small(1100cc) self maintained 2nd hand car.

I improved the dwelling with CH and a garage, all done with my own labour, and we sold it to buy another dwelling nearer both our places of employment,

 

From where we took the gamble of buying bare agricultural land at public auction,

land that no-one else was interested in bidding seriously on btw.

 

Nowhere in the first 2 house purchase and sale transactions did we "make" any money.

Our current, and quite unfinished  25 odd years later build ,was also the receipt of much of my own labour.

And was not planned with any forethought as to maximize any likely aftersale, which would be a proper nightmare.

 

Nowt in life is free.

 

And again, I was discerning or fortunate(but madly and passionately in love nonetheless) in my solid choice(well her choice I suppose, as in I chased her until she caught me!) of a mongrel bred Army-brat lover and wife.

Marcus

Edited August 30, 2019 by difflock