Climate change anyone?

[Ratman]

Sorry if this has already been said d but we are doomed. Human nature as it is we are not going to take steps to alter CO2 output. The decision makers are men of an age that will not see the consequences and the money in fossil fuels is the determining factor. Let’s hope Gaia has something up her sleeve

Ignorance will play a big part as most will take the path of “wont happen in my lifetime” and so less effort will be made!

[Haironyourchest]

16 minutes ago, the village idiot said:

I can't quite zero in on what you actually think is happening Hairychest.

 

On one hand you appear to be saying that the scientists are just alarmists and false prophets, concocting a false narrative of human induced climate change in conspiracy with some group of political elite.

 

In a different mood you appear to be saying that human induced climate change is not only very real, but positively mandated by the Man/God hybrid that wants to burn fossil fuels to produce 'it's' own idea of plant heavy Eden.

 

Could you please set me straight. I am very confused.

Yeah for sure. My position is this: 

1. CO2 = good for the planet. Massive amounts may possibly cause warming, and if so, this is good thing. A warm planet    is better at supporting life than a cool planet. 

 

2. Mankind created/evolved as a mechanism to liberate sequestered CO2, for the benefit of the planet.

 

3. We also need fossil fuel at this time in history, in order to develop our species spiritually. What I consider "spiritual" is quite different to the generally accepted definition of the word. To me, collective spiritual development means every individual experiencing personal freedom and self-actuation on a worldwide scale. It also means competing wills, tribalism, wars, famines, mistakes and so on. It is not disconnected from the physical body. At this time, modern western culture, with a foundation of Judeo-Christian morality, offers the best road forward, for everyone. This may change in the future.

 

4. We do not know the outcome of liberating CO2 in the short term. In the long term, it is definitely a good thing.

 

5. If the alarmists are correct, and CO2 will cause catastrophic damage in the short term, then we have to ask some more questions: A - Catastrophic enough to sterilise the planet? B - catastrophic enough to kill off most of humanity but the planetary ecosystem will recover in a few thousand years. C - catastrophic enough to kill some of humanity but survivable by technically advanced nations with infrastructural planning. D - not really catastrophic at all.

 

6. If the outcome is human extinction, then I would rather go extinct then allow a communist NWO to emerge. If this were to happen, it would spell the end of spiritual development and freedom for all mankind. This is my belief.

 

7. The planet exists to serve our spiritual development. By developing mechanisation at this time, we are also serving the planet. It may seem like we are damaging it, but we are actually feeding it. I take the million year view, not the hundred year view.

 

8. We do not need 8 or 9 billion people on earth for man to continue to develop. The current spike in population is a temporary state. This brief era - lets call it the machine freedom era - won't continue forever. So all the souls that are normally without bodies, are now incarnating to experience it and advance their personal development. Its a once in a blue moon opportunity. When this era is finished, the world population will shrink to a billion or so again.

 

9. Nothing we do can kill the earth or nature. Life developed out of molten rock. 90% of all species that have ever existed have gone extinct. That's the natural way, new things replace the old. Most people see things in terms of a human lifespan, or a few generations. I see things in terms of tens of thousands of years. Millions of years. Humanity is immortal, we have immortal spirits and souls. The freedom we experience in this 21st century, and the insights we gain thereby, we will carry with us forever, and will form the basis for future civilisations. The CO2 we release now, will also form the basis for life for future civilisations. Its a win/win.

 

 

[Big J]

4 minutes ago, Haironyourchest said:

Yeah for sure. My position is this: 

1. CO2 = good for the planet. Massive amounts may possibly cause warming, and if so, this is good thing. A warm planet    is better at supporting life than a cool planet. 

 

2. Mankind created/evolved as a mechanism to liberate sequestered CO2, for the benefit of the planet.

 

3. We also need fossil fuel at this time in history, in order to develop our species spiritually. What I consider "spiritual" is quite different to the generally accepted definition of the word. To me, collective spiritual development means every individual experiencing personal freedom and self-actuation on a worldwide scale. It also means competing wills, tribalism, wars, famines, mistakes and so on. It is not disconnected from the physical body. At this time, modern western culture, with a foundation of Judeo-Christian morality, offers the best road forward, for everyone. This may change in the future.

 

4. We do not know the outcome of liberating CO2 in the short term. In the long term, it is definitely a good thing.

 

5. If the alarmists are correct, and CO2 will cause catastrophic damage in the short term, then we have to ask some more questions: A - Catastrophic enough to sterilise the planet? B - catastrophic enough to kill off most of humanity but the planetary ecosystem will recover in a few thousand years. C - catastrophic enough to kill some of humanity but survivable by technically advanced nations with infrastructural planning. D - not really catastrophic at all.

 

6. If the outcome is human extinction, then I would rather go extinct then allow a communist NWO to emerge. If this were to happen, it would spell the end of spiritual development and freedom for all mankind. This is my belief.

 

7. The planet exists to serve our spiritual development. By developing mechanisation at this time, we are also serving the planet. It may seem like we are damaging it, but we are actually feeding it. I take the million year view, not the hundred year view.

 

8. We do not need 8 or 9 billion people on earth for man to continue to develop. The current spike in population is a temporary state. This brief era - lets call it the machine freedom era - won't continue forever. So all the souls that are normally without bodies, are now incarnating to experience it and advance their personal development. Its a once in a blue moon opportunity. When this era is finished, the world population will shrink to a billion or so again.

 

9. Nothing we do can kill the earth or nature. Life developed out of molten rock. 90% of all species that have ever existed have gone extinct. That's the natural way, new things replace the old. Most people see things in terms of a human lifespan, or a few generations. I see things in terms of tens of thousands of years. Millions of years. Humanity is immortal, we have immortal spirits and souls. The freedom we experience in this 21st century, and the insights we gain thereby, we will carry with us forever, and will form the basis for future civilisations. The CO2 we release now, will also form the basis for life for future civilisations. Its a win/win.

 

 

Nurse? Nurse?! NURSE??!!

 

He got out again ?

[Mick Dempsey]

5 minutes ago, Haironyourchest said:

Yeah for sure. My position is this: 

1. CO2 = good for the planet. Massive amounts may possibly cause warming, and if so, this is good thing. A warm planet    is better at supporting life than a cool planet. 

 

2. Mankind created/evolved as a mechanism to liberate sequestered CO2, for the benefit of the planet.

 

3. We also need fossil fuel at this time in history, in order to develop our species spiritually. What I consider "spiritual" is quite different to the generally accepted definition of the word. To me, collective spiritual development means every individual experiencing personal freedom and self-actuation on a worldwide scale. It also means competing wills, tribalism, wars, famines, mistakes and so on. It is not disconnected from the physical body. At this time, modern western culture, with a foundation of Judeo-Christian morality, offers the best road forward, for everyone. This may change in the future.

 

4. We do not know the outcome of liberating CO2 in the short term. In the long term, it is definitely a good thing.

 

5. If the alarmists are correct, and CO2 will cause catastrophic damage in the short term, then we have to ask some more questions: A - Catastrophic enough to sterilise the planet? B - catastrophic enough to kill off most of humanity but the planetary ecosystem will recover in a few thousand years. C - catastrophic enough to kill some of humanity but survivable by technically advanced nations with infrastructural planning. D - not really catastrophic at all.

 

6. If the outcome is human extinction, then I would rather go extinct then allow a communist NWO to emerge. If this were to happen, it would spell the end of spiritual development and freedom for all mankind. This is my belief.

 

7. The planet exists to serve our spiritual development. By developing mechanisation at this time, we are also serving the planet. It may seem like we are damaging it, but we are actually feeding it. I take the million year view, not the hundred year view.

 

8. We do not need 8 or 9 billion people on earth for man to continue to develop. The current spike in population is a temporary state. This brief era - lets call it the machine freedom era - won't continue forever. So all the souls that are normally without bodies, are now incarnating to experience it and advance their personal development. Its a once in a blue moon opportunity. When this era is finished, the world population will shrink to a billion or so again.

 

9. Nothing we do can kill the earth or nature. Life developed out of molten rock. 90% of all species that have ever existed have gone extinct. That's the natural way, new things replace the old. Most people see things in terms of a human lifespan, or a few generations. I see things in terms of tens of thousands of years. Millions of years. Humanity is immortal, we have immortal spirits and souls. The freedom we experience in this 21st century, and the insights we gain thereby, we will carry with us forever, and will form the basis for future civilisations. The CO2 we release now, will also form the basis for life for future civilisations. Its a win/win.

 

 

 

5 minutes ago, Haironyourchest said:

Yeah for sure. My position is this: 

1. CO2 = good for the planet. Massive amounts may possibly cause warming, and if so, this is good thing. A warm planet    is better at supporting life than a cool planet. 

 

2. Mankind created/evolved as a mechanism to liberate sequestered CO2, for the benefit of the planet.

 

3. We also need fossil fuel at this time in history, in order to develop our species spiritually. What I consider "spiritual" is quite different to the generally accepted definition of the word. To me, collective spiritual development means every individual experiencing personal freedom and self-actuation on a worldwide scale. It also means competing wills, tribalism, wars, famines, mistakes and so on. It is not disconnected from the physical body. At this time, modern western culture, with a foundation of Judeo-Christian morality, offers the best road forward, for everyone. This may change in the future.

 

4. We do not know the outcome of liberating CO2 in the short term. In the long term, it is definitely a good thing.

 

5. If the alarmists are correct, and CO2 will cause catastrophic damage in the short term, then we have to ask some more questions: A - Catastrophic enough to sterilise the planet? B - catastrophic enough to kill off most of humanity but the planetary ecosystem will recover in a few thousand years. C - catastrophic enough to kill some of humanity but survivable by technically advanced nations with infrastructural planning. D - not really catastrophic at all.

 

6. If the outcome is human extinction, then I would rather go extinct then allow a communist NWO to emerge. If this were to happen, it would spell the end of spiritual development and freedom for all mankind. This is my belief.

 

7. The planet exists to serve our spiritual development. By developing mechanisation at this time, we are also serving the planet. It may seem like we are damaging it, but we are actually feeding it. I take the million year view, not the hundred year view.

 

8. We do not need 8 or 9 billion people on earth for man to continue to develop. The current spike in population is a temporary state. This brief era - lets call it the machine freedom era - won't continue forever. So all the souls that are normally without bodies, are now incarnating to experience it and advance their personal development. Its a once in a blue moon opportunity. When this era is finished, the world population will shrink to a billion or so again.

 

9. Nothing we do can kill the earth or nature. Life developed out of molten rock. 90% of all species that have ever existed have gone extinct. That's the natural way, new things replace the old. Most people see things in terms of a human lifespan, or a few generations. I see things in terms of tens of thousands of years. Millions of years. Humanity is immortal, we have immortal spirits and souls. The freedom we experience in this 21st century, and the insights we gain thereby, we will carry with us forever, and will form the basis for future civilisations. The CO2 we release now, will also form the basis for life for future civilisations. Its a win/win.

 

 

Rather the extinction of humankind than a communist NWO?

 

Well that is commitment,I’ll give you that.

 

 

[kevinjohnsonmbe]

9 hours ago, Haironyourchest said:

Read esoteric philosophy for fifteen years and you'll understand.

 

11 minutes ago, Haironyourchest said:

2. Mankind created/evolved as a mechanism to liberate sequestered CO2, for the benefit of the planet.

I'm just a tad suspicious here....

 

Either, as suggested, you have a comprehensive reading of esoteric philosophy, or (as I did)....

 

You watched Noah late on Sunday night on BBC2

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noah_(2014_film)

 

If you happen to change your login name to Tubal-cain anytime soon I'll know which it is ?

[the village idiot]

32 minutes ago, Haironyourchest said:

Yeah for sure. My position is this: 

1. CO2 = good for the planet. Massive amounts may possibly cause warming, and if so, this is good thing. A warm planet    is better at supporting life than a cool planet. 

 

2. Mankind created/evolved as a mechanism to liberate sequestered CO2, for the benefit of the planet.

 

3. We also need fossil fuel at this time in history, in order to develop our species spiritually. What I consider "spiritual" is quite different to the generally accepted definition of the word. To me, collective spiritual development means every individual experiencing personal freedom and self-actuation on a worldwide scale. It also means competing wills, tribalism, wars, famines, mistakes and so on. It is not disconnected from the physical body. At this time, modern western culture, with a foundation of Judeo-Christian morality, offers the best road forward, for everyone. This may change in the future.

 

4. We do not know the outcome of liberating CO2 in the short term. In the long term, it is definitely a good thing.

 

5. If the alarmists are correct, and CO2 will cause catastrophic damage in the short term, then we have to ask some more questions: A - Catastrophic enough to sterilise the planet? B - catastrophic enough to kill off most of humanity but the planetary ecosystem will recover in a few thousand years. C - catastrophic enough to kill some of humanity but survivable by technically advanced nations with infrastructural planning. D - not really catastrophic at all.

 

6. If the outcome is human extinction, then I would rather go extinct then allow a communist NWO to emerge. If this were to happen, it would spell the end of spiritual development and freedom for all mankind. This is my belief.

 

7. The planet exists to serve our spiritual development. By developing mechanisation at this time, we are also serving the planet. It may seem like we are damaging it, but we are actually feeding it. I take the million year view, not the hundred year view.

 

8. We do not need 8 or 9 billion people on earth for man to continue to develop. The current spike in population is a temporary state. This brief era - lets call it the machine freedom era - won't continue forever. So all the souls that are normally without bodies, are now incarnating to experience it and advance their personal development. Its a once in a blue moon opportunity. When this era is finished, the world population will shrink to a billion or so again.

 

9. Nothing we do can kill the earth or nature. Life developed out of molten rock. 90% of all species that have ever existed have gone extinct. That's the natural way, new things replace the old. Most people see things in terms of a human lifespan, or a few generations. I see things in terms of tens of thousands of years. Millions of years. Humanity is immortal, we have immortal spirits and souls. The freedom we experience in this 21st century, and the insights we gain thereby, we will carry with us forever, and will form the basis for future civilisations. The CO2 we release now, will also form the basis for life for future civilisations. Its a win/win.

 

 

OK!?

 

I'm genuinely trying very hard not to conclude that you haven't just cherry picked convenient snippets of various Eastern and Western religious philosophies, added in some very current right wing conspiracy theorising, to concoct a personal narrative which makes you feel comfortable with behaving however you want.

 

You seem convinced that there is a goal being achieved. This necessitates a goal setter, outside of human timescales.

 

Can you articulate who or what has set the definitive agenda/path/final destination for this "man made World", and what convinces you that this 'goal oriented' entity/entities exists?

[Mark J]

Air pollution is giving kids breathing disorders due to traffic volumes next to schools.
You'd do something about that if it was your kid needing an inhaler.
The way things are going in terms of accelerating the natural heating/cooling of the planet, the whole world is going to need an inhaler.

Edited March 11, 2019 by Mark J

[westphalian]

Yeah for sure. My position is this: 
1. CO2 = good for the planet. Massive amounts may possibly cause warming, and if so, this is good thing. A warm planet    is better at supporting life than a cool planet. 
 
2. Mankind created/evolved as a mechanism to liberate sequestered CO2, for the benefit of the planet.
 
3. We also need fossil fuel at this time in history, in order to develop our species spiritually. What I consider "spiritual" is quite different to the generally accepted definition of the word. To me, collective spiritual development means every individual experiencing personal freedom and self-actuation on a worldwide scale. It also means competing wills, tribalism, wars, famines, mistakes and so on. It is not disconnected from the physical body. At this time, modern western culture, with a foundation of Judeo-Christian morality, offers the best road forward, for everyone. This may change in the future.
 
4. We do not know the outcome of liberating CO2 in the short term. In the long term, it is definitely a good thing.
 
5. If the alarmists are correct, and CO2 will cause catastrophic damage in the short term, then we have to ask some more questions: A - Catastrophic enough to sterilise the planet? B - catastrophic enough to kill off most of humanity but the planetary ecosystem will recover in a few thousand years. C - catastrophic enough to kill some of humanity but survivable by technically advanced nations with infrastructural planning. D - not really catastrophic at all.
 
6. If the outcome is human extinction, then I would rather go extinct then allow a communist NWO to emerge. If this were to happen, it would spell the end of spiritual development and freedom for all mankind. This is my belief.
 
7. The planet exists to serve our spiritual development. By developing mechanisation at this time, we are also serving the planet. It may seem like we are damaging it, but we are actually feeding it. I take the million year view, not the hundred year view.
 
8. We do not need 8 or 9 billion people on earth for man to continue to develop. The current spike in population is a temporary state. This brief era - lets call it the machine freedom era - won't continue forever. So all the souls that are normally without bodies, are now incarnating to experience it and advance their personal development. Its a once in a blue moon opportunity. When this era is finished, the world population will shrink to a billion or so again.
 
9. Nothing we do can kill the earth or nature. Life developed out of molten rock. 90% of all species that have ever existed have gone extinct. That's the natural way, new things replace the old. Most people see things in terms of a human lifespan, or a few generations. I see things in terms of tens of thousands of years. Millions of years. Humanity is immortal, we have immortal spirits and souls. The freedom we experience in this 21st century, and the insights we gain thereby, we will carry with us forever, and will form the basis for future civilisations. The CO2 we release now, will also form the basis for life for future civilisations. Its a win/win.
 
 

Wow!
What is good for the planet is not the point. The planet doesn’t give a flip.
We are taking what is good for us. And climate change isn’t.
If I have to qualify this than I may as well go on and justify that the Earth is not flat, the benefits of immunisation and the nonsense of homeopathy

[Yorkshire Brummie]

Extraordinarily interesting esoteric perspective, and of course - (I expect, self-admittedly by the author) a dangerous (to humankind at least) conviction.
 
It does offer a pause for thought in the midst of all the self-admonishing consensus we either comfort or scare ourselves with...
 
Is it a dystopian-utopian individualist vision, I wonder?

I’ve followed this thread right through. I would say I’m sensitive to climate change most definitely and having spent the majority of my life outside feel in touch with seasons, their variations, but winters followed by summers of 2018 do worry me. I’m definitely not an academic but have enjoyed George Monboit’s book Feral and some of his other work, but although he gives lots of verified scientific facts some of his extreme “panic stations” ramblings also leave me scratching my head.
In a nutshell (tying up what some of you are saying... I think) are we saying in a Brian Cox sort of way, that what’s happening to the planet now is so microscopic in comparison to the lifetime of the earth, it’s just a “bump in the road” however destructive to mankind it maybe?
If science is fact, so therefore some bad stuff looks like it may possibly happen to our not so far off generations, what can we take from philosophical answers been given on this thread. To the layman (me) does it just mean you are putting the scientific answers in context of the bigger picture ( millions of years )?
Hope my ramblings make sense?!..
Cheers folks
Ian

[Haironyourchest]

20 minutes ago, the village idiot said:

...cherry picked convenient snippets of various Eastern and Western religious

Of course I have. It's called synthesis, the weaving together of disperate prices of information to for a whole. Thanks to the intellectual freedom and abundance of free information granted me by our modern, fossil fueled culture. Most, if not all, great scientific discoveries were arrived at by the same principle...let's be clear, I laid out a worst case scenario, which I very much doubt will happen. Actually go and look at the evidence on the other side - really look at it, make a genuine effort to research the debunking of catastrophic global warming, just as a mental exercise. Yes, the material is funded by oil interests - who else is going to fund it? Who else would dare to challenge the pop culture, the mainstream media? Look at how the alarmists have changed their data, cherry picked where and when they take their measurements, the terrible flaws in the computer models. Even the Intergovernmental panel on climate change or whatever they're called, recently published a white paper admitting their models were wrong. The media won't report it. The whole thing is being used as a scare tactic by certain groups on the political left to usher in communism. It's not a conspiracy theory, they're openly stating that's their platform! Have you watched AOC? And there are a LOT of young people out there who are all for it. It's not an orchastrated conspiracy, it's a organic political confluence of like minded people with more or less the same ideology.