Climate change anyone?

[Billhook]

Just did the test again but included the one flight and am now up to 6.6 tons

It did not ask me about my 53 year old car which although not used on a daily basis does not do more than 22 mpg on petrol

However by continuing to use it I must have saved a countless amount of energy that would have been involved in buying a regular replacement.  Not sure if that balances out!

Same goes for using the recycled bricks and wood in my home.

[Khriss]

10 minutes ago, Billhook said:

Just did the test again but included the one flight and am now up to 6.6 tons

It did not ask me about my 53 year old car which although not used on a daily basis does not do more than 22 mpg on petrol

However by continuing to use it I must have saved a countless amount of energy that would have been involved in buying a regular replacement.  Not sure if that balances out!

Same goes for using the recycled bricks and wood in my home.

I think if I factored in my Series Landrover that gives me the carbon footprint of Iceland. K

[westphalian]

Sorry if this has already been said d but we are doomed. Human nature as it is we are not going to take steps to alter CO2 output. The decision makers are men of an age that will not see the consequences and the money in fossil fuels is the determining factor. Let’s hope Gaia has something up her sleeve

[Mark J]

30 minutes ago, westphalian said:

Sorry if this has already been said d but we are doomed. Human nature as it is we are not going to take steps to alter CO2 output. The decision makers are men of an age that will not see the consequences and the money in fossil fuels is the determining factor. Let’s hope Gaia has something up her sleeve

Live forever or die trying.

[the village idiot]

8 hours ago, Haironyourchest said:

Read esoteric philosophy for fifteen years and you'll understand.

 

The guilt of polluting, of being an eco "sinner". The warmists/alarmists are keen to conflate the skeptics skepticism with religious belief, but they don't cotton on to the religiosity of their own position - which is probably greater.

 

Judeo-Christian:  Man committed the original sin, its the cause all our problems.

Climate Alarmist:  Man started using fossil fuel, and now the damage is done, its the cause of all our                                          enviro problems.

 

Judeo-Christian:  We are all sinners. To save our eternal souls we must repent and endure penance.

Climate Alarmist:  We are all polluters. To save the planet we must sacrifice our lifestyle.

 

Judeo-Christian:  If you're a rich sinner, you can reduce the penance with a monetary donation                                                   (indulgence)

Climate Alarmist:  If you're a rich country you can buy carbon credits. If you're a rich person you can buy                                   social credit by doing "good works" (making a documentary about global warming)

 

Judeo-Christian:  The world and man is well and truly fucked, we are in the end times...any day now....

Climate Alarmist:  The world and man is well and truly fucked, we are in the end times...any day now...

 

Judeo-Christian:  The only way to save yourself is to repent and hope to be resurrected on judgement                                       day.

Climate Alarmist:  The only way to save yourself is for the whole species to repent and go back to the                                       stone age.

 

Judeo-Christian:  By denying yourself small pleasures (meat of Friday, chocolate for lent, booze on                                           weeknights etc) you can feel better about being a sinner, because at least                                                       you're making an effort. Go to confession every now and then and tell the priest what a                                 filthy hypocrite you've been. Feels good, doesn't it?

Climate Alarmist:  By denying yourself small pleasures (holidays in Spain, avocados, not buying plastic                                     crap) you can feel a bit better about all the other polluting you do. At least you're                                           making an effort.

 

Judeo-Christian:  All this is true because men in robes and hats (who are much more intelligent than you)                                 said so. But don't listen to the other men in different robes and hats - they work for                                       the Devil!

Climate Alarmist:  All this is true because men with white coats and graphs - who are much more                                               intelligent than you - said so. Don't listen to the other men with graphs - they work for                                   the oil companies!

 

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I can't quite zero in on what you actually think is happening Hairychest.

 

On one hand you appear to be saying that the scientists are just alarmists and false prophets, concocting a false narrative of human induced climate change in conspiracy with some group of political elite.

 

In a different mood you appear to be saying that human induced climate change is not only very real, but positively mandated by the Man/God hybrid that wants to burn fossil fuels to produce 'it's' own idea of plant heavy Eden.

 

Could you please set me straight. I am very confused.

[Ratman]

Sorry if this has already been said d but we are doomed. Human nature as it is we are not going to take steps to alter CO2 output. The decision makers are men of an age that will not see the consequences and the money in fossil fuels is the determining factor. Let’s hope Gaia has something up her sleeve

Ignorance will play a big part as most will take the path of “wont happen in my lifetime” and so less effort will be made!

[Haironyourchest]

16 minutes ago, the village idiot said:

I can't quite zero in on what you actually think is happening Hairychest.

 

On one hand you appear to be saying that the scientists are just alarmists and false prophets, concocting a false narrative of human induced climate change in conspiracy with some group of political elite.

 

In a different mood you appear to be saying that human induced climate change is not only very real, but positively mandated by the Man/God hybrid that wants to burn fossil fuels to produce 'it's' own idea of plant heavy Eden.

 

Could you please set me straight. I am very confused.

Yeah for sure. My position is this: 

1. CO2 = good for the planet. Massive amounts may possibly cause warming, and if so, this is good thing. A warm planet    is better at supporting life than a cool planet. 

 

2. Mankind created/evolved as a mechanism to liberate sequestered CO2, for the benefit of the planet.

 

3. We also need fossil fuel at this time in history, in order to develop our species spiritually. What I consider "spiritual" is quite different to the generally accepted definition of the word. To me, collective spiritual development means every individual experiencing personal freedom and self-actuation on a worldwide scale. It also means competing wills, tribalism, wars, famines, mistakes and so on. It is not disconnected from the physical body. At this time, modern western culture, with a foundation of Judeo-Christian morality, offers the best road forward, for everyone. This may change in the future.

 

4. We do not know the outcome of liberating CO2 in the short term. In the long term, it is definitely a good thing.

 

5. If the alarmists are correct, and CO2 will cause catastrophic damage in the short term, then we have to ask some more questions: A - Catastrophic enough to sterilise the planet? B - catastrophic enough to kill off most of humanity but the planetary ecosystem will recover in a few thousand years. C - catastrophic enough to kill some of humanity but survivable by technically advanced nations with infrastructural planning. D - not really catastrophic at all.

 

6. If the outcome is human extinction, then I would rather go extinct then allow a communist NWO to emerge. If this were to happen, it would spell the end of spiritual development and freedom for all mankind. This is my belief.

 

7. The planet exists to serve our spiritual development. By developing mechanisation at this time, we are also serving the planet. It may seem like we are damaging it, but we are actually feeding it. I take the million year view, not the hundred year view.

 

8. We do not need 8 or 9 billion people on earth for man to continue to develop. The current spike in population is a temporary state. This brief era - lets call it the machine freedom era - won't continue forever. So all the souls that are normally without bodies, are now incarnating to experience it and advance their personal development. Its a once in a blue moon opportunity. When this era is finished, the world population will shrink to a billion or so again.

 

9. Nothing we do can kill the earth or nature. Life developed out of molten rock. 90% of all species that have ever existed have gone extinct. That's the natural way, new things replace the old. Most people see things in terms of a human lifespan, or a few generations. I see things in terms of tens of thousands of years. Millions of years. Humanity is immortal, we have immortal spirits and souls. The freedom we experience in this 21st century, and the insights we gain thereby, we will carry with us forever, and will form the basis for future civilisations. The CO2 we release now, will also form the basis for life for future civilisations. Its a win/win.

 

 

[Mick Dempsey]

5 minutes ago, Haironyourchest said:

Yeah for sure. My position is this: 

1. CO2 = good for the planet. Massive amounts may possibly cause warming, and if so, this is good thing. A warm planet    is better at supporting life than a cool planet. 

 

2. Mankind created/evolved as a mechanism to liberate sequestered CO2, for the benefit of the planet.

 

3. We also need fossil fuel at this time in history, in order to develop our species spiritually. What I consider "spiritual" is quite different to the generally accepted definition of the word. To me, collective spiritual development means every individual experiencing personal freedom and self-actuation on a worldwide scale. It also means competing wills, tribalism, wars, famines, mistakes and so on. It is not disconnected from the physical body. At this time, modern western culture, with a foundation of Judeo-Christian morality, offers the best road forward, for everyone. This may change in the future.

 

4. We do not know the outcome of liberating CO2 in the short term. In the long term, it is definitely a good thing.

 

5. If the alarmists are correct, and CO2 will cause catastrophic damage in the short term, then we have to ask some more questions: A - Catastrophic enough to sterilise the planet? B - catastrophic enough to kill off most of humanity but the planetary ecosystem will recover in a few thousand years. C - catastrophic enough to kill some of humanity but survivable by technically advanced nations with infrastructural planning. D - not really catastrophic at all.

 

6. If the outcome is human extinction, then I would rather go extinct then allow a communist NWO to emerge. If this were to happen, it would spell the end of spiritual development and freedom for all mankind. This is my belief.

 

7. The planet exists to serve our spiritual development. By developing mechanisation at this time, we are also serving the planet. It may seem like we are damaging it, but we are actually feeding it. I take the million year view, not the hundred year view.

 

8. We do not need 8 or 9 billion people on earth for man to continue to develop. The current spike in population is a temporary state. This brief era - lets call it the machine freedom era - won't continue forever. So all the souls that are normally without bodies, are now incarnating to experience it and advance their personal development. Its a once in a blue moon opportunity. When this era is finished, the world population will shrink to a billion or so again.

 

9. Nothing we do can kill the earth or nature. Life developed out of molten rock. 90% of all species that have ever existed have gone extinct. That's the natural way, new things replace the old. Most people see things in terms of a human lifespan, or a few generations. I see things in terms of tens of thousands of years. Millions of years. Humanity is immortal, we have immortal spirits and souls. The freedom we experience in this 21st century, and the insights we gain thereby, we will carry with us forever, and will form the basis for future civilisations. The CO2 we release now, will also form the basis for life for future civilisations. Its a win/win.

 

 

 

5 minutes ago, Haironyourchest said:

Yeah for sure. My position is this: 

1. CO2 = good for the planet. Massive amounts may possibly cause warming, and if so, this is good thing. A warm planet    is better at supporting life than a cool planet. 

 

2. Mankind created/evolved as a mechanism to liberate sequestered CO2, for the benefit of the planet.

 

3. We also need fossil fuel at this time in history, in order to develop our species spiritually. What I consider "spiritual" is quite different to the generally accepted definition of the word. To me, collective spiritual development means every individual experiencing personal freedom and self-actuation on a worldwide scale. It also means competing wills, tribalism, wars, famines, mistakes and so on. It is not disconnected from the physical body. At this time, modern western culture, with a foundation of Judeo-Christian morality, offers the best road forward, for everyone. This may change in the future.

 

4. We do not know the outcome of liberating CO2 in the short term. In the long term, it is definitely a good thing.

 

5. If the alarmists are correct, and CO2 will cause catastrophic damage in the short term, then we have to ask some more questions: A - Catastrophic enough to sterilise the planet? B - catastrophic enough to kill off most of humanity but the planetary ecosystem will recover in a few thousand years. C - catastrophic enough to kill some of humanity but survivable by technically advanced nations with infrastructural planning. D - not really catastrophic at all.

 

6. If the outcome is human extinction, then I would rather go extinct then allow a communist NWO to emerge. If this were to happen, it would spell the end of spiritual development and freedom for all mankind. This is my belief.

 

7. The planet exists to serve our spiritual development. By developing mechanisation at this time, we are also serving the planet. It may seem like we are damaging it, but we are actually feeding it. I take the million year view, not the hundred year view.

 

8. We do not need 8 or 9 billion people on earth for man to continue to develop. The current spike in population is a temporary state. This brief era - lets call it the machine freedom era - won't continue forever. So all the souls that are normally without bodies, are now incarnating to experience it and advance their personal development. Its a once in a blue moon opportunity. When this era is finished, the world population will shrink to a billion or so again.

 

9. Nothing we do can kill the earth or nature. Life developed out of molten rock. 90% of all species that have ever existed have gone extinct. That's the natural way, new things replace the old. Most people see things in terms of a human lifespan, or a few generations. I see things in terms of tens of thousands of years. Millions of years. Humanity is immortal, we have immortal spirits and souls. The freedom we experience in this 21st century, and the insights we gain thereby, we will carry with us forever, and will form the basis for future civilisations. The CO2 we release now, will also form the basis for life for future civilisations. Its a win/win.

 

 

Rather the extinction of humankind than a communist NWO?

 

Well that is commitment,I’ll give you that.

 

 

[kevinjohnsonmbe]

9 hours ago, Haironyourchest said:

Read esoteric philosophy for fifteen years and you'll understand.

 

11 minutes ago, Haironyourchest said:

2. Mankind created/evolved as a mechanism to liberate sequestered CO2, for the benefit of the planet.

I'm just a tad suspicious here....

 

Either, as suggested, you have a comprehensive reading of esoteric philosophy, or (as I did)....

 

You watched Noah late on Sunday night on BBC2

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noah_(2014_film)

 

If you happen to change your login name to Tubal-cain anytime soon I'll know which it is ?

[the village idiot]

32 minutes ago, Haironyourchest said:

Yeah for sure. My position is this: 

1. CO2 = good for the planet. Massive amounts may possibly cause warming, and if so, this is good thing. A warm planet    is better at supporting life than a cool planet. 

 

2. Mankind created/evolved as a mechanism to liberate sequestered CO2, for the benefit of the planet.

 

3. We also need fossil fuel at this time in history, in order to develop our species spiritually. What I consider "spiritual" is quite different to the generally accepted definition of the word. To me, collective spiritual development means every individual experiencing personal freedom and self-actuation on a worldwide scale. It also means competing wills, tribalism, wars, famines, mistakes and so on. It is not disconnected from the physical body. At this time, modern western culture, with a foundation of Judeo-Christian morality, offers the best road forward, for everyone. This may change in the future.

 

4. We do not know the outcome of liberating CO2 in the short term. In the long term, it is definitely a good thing.

 

5. If the alarmists are correct, and CO2 will cause catastrophic damage in the short term, then we have to ask some more questions: A - Catastrophic enough to sterilise the planet? B - catastrophic enough to kill off most of humanity but the planetary ecosystem will recover in a few thousand years. C - catastrophic enough to kill some of humanity but survivable by technically advanced nations with infrastructural planning. D - not really catastrophic at all.

 

6. If the outcome is human extinction, then I would rather go extinct then allow a communist NWO to emerge. If this were to happen, it would spell the end of spiritual development and freedom for all mankind. This is my belief.

 

7. The planet exists to serve our spiritual development. By developing mechanisation at this time, we are also serving the planet. It may seem like we are damaging it, but we are actually feeding it. I take the million year view, not the hundred year view.

 

8. We do not need 8 or 9 billion people on earth for man to continue to develop. The current spike in population is a temporary state. This brief era - lets call it the machine freedom era - won't continue forever. So all the souls that are normally without bodies, are now incarnating to experience it and advance their personal development. Its a once in a blue moon opportunity. When this era is finished, the world population will shrink to a billion or so again.

 

9. Nothing we do can kill the earth or nature. Life developed out of molten rock. 90% of all species that have ever existed have gone extinct. That's the natural way, new things replace the old. Most people see things in terms of a human lifespan, or a few generations. I see things in terms of tens of thousands of years. Millions of years. Humanity is immortal, we have immortal spirits and souls. The freedom we experience in this 21st century, and the insights we gain thereby, we will carry with us forever, and will form the basis for future civilisations. The CO2 we release now, will also form the basis for life for future civilisations. Its a win/win.

 

 

OK!?

 

I'm genuinely trying very hard not to conclude that you haven't just cherry picked convenient snippets of various Eastern and Western religious philosophies, added in some very current right wing conspiracy theorising, to concoct a personal narrative which makes you feel comfortable with behaving however you want.

 

You seem convinced that there is a goal being achieved. This necessitates a goal setter, outside of human timescales.

 

Can you articulate who or what has set the definitive agenda/path/final destination for this "man made World", and what convinces you that this 'goal oriented' entity/entities exists?