Justme
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Re the brakes. As the trailer is plated at 3500kg its not a factor as the rest of the weight is applied load.
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Yes if the trailer is plated to 3500kg a post a19-01-2013 would be better OK but you said 5000kg. There is no way a post 13 can do that due to the plate weight. Remember you have to comply with licence and c&u. If your 5th wheel was plated to 3500kg and hand a real stand alone weight of 4500kg and 1000kg of that was applied to a vehicle that had a payload of 1000kg you would be OK. Pre 2013 the trailer can be plated to 5000kg as long as the real weight is within vehicles capacity for GTW and applied load.
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You won't get a 5000kg trailer down to 3500kg if the vehicle only has a 1000kg payload. Not sure on the o licence rules from the top of my head.
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Donnk Read this post from our local police. It clearly says that the rear axle load must be withing the vehicles total weight limits.
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As posted above MAM is not GTW which is now called GCW. Mam is just the max the vehicle and load can weigh. GCW is the max the combined vehicle and trailer can weigh. MAM Maximum Authorised Mass GTW Gross Train Weight GCW Gross Combined Weight.
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Not sure why you think what I put is wrong as it does not contradict what you have put. Edit to add. The weight applied to the rear axle must keep the total weigh of the tug within it's Mam. In your case it won't.
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Perhaps they now get IVA testing done, but thats for trailers not fixings.
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I would guess that as the Eu regs approve it where it is made it has to be accepted here.
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Any weight that is transferred onto the vehicle is NOT trailer weight. If stopped they do not uncouple you. They weigh each axle. So the 100kg will be on the rear vehicle axle not the trailer axle. If the vehicle has a 3500kg MAM & the trailer is plated to 3500kg then a post 19-01-2013 BE is ok. The vehicle could weigh 1900kg. The "load" from the trailer be 1500kg. The trailer axles weight be 3500kg but with a disconnected weight of 5000kg.
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The 5th wheel trailer at 5000kg is not a 5000kg trailer as some of the load is an applied load onto the vehicle.
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A landrover does NOT have a MAM of 7000kg. MAM & GTW are not the same.
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Happy to be convinced one way or the other. Dont think I want to be the test case lol
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Their website http://www.wabtec-developments.com/index.php/5th-wheel-conversions/
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Like this https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Fifth-Wheel-Mini-Artic-Gooseneck-Plant-Trailer-Up-to-5300KG-Gross-Weight-on-B-E/112774083771?epid=2083349803&hash=item1a41dbf4bb:g:RwIAAOSwQN5aaPaK
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Re the above you could get a 5th wheel that has a real weight when loaded but disconnected of 5000kg. As long as 1500kg of that weight is an applied load to the tow vehicle & the tow vehicle is rated to take it as a load.
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A post 19-10-2013 BE MIGHT cover it if the weight through the trailers wheels and the plate weight is 3500kg or less & the vehicles weight is plated to 3500kg or less.
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True but then the vehicle can't have a mam of more than 3500kg.
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I can't prove it but would expect the GTW to be reduced when the mam was reduced.
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Or as has been mentioned the pre 19-01-2013 BE licence has no trailer limits. Get a vehicle with a high GTW.
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Yep that's a possibility. As long as the tow vehicle can take the nose weight and not exceed its axle weights.
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I think you missed the bit where I said Re DPV I agree. The second comment was in general as many people think you cant tell re vehicle type too.
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Re DPV I agree. There is no reliable method. Re vehicle class its wrong. passenger vehicle, CDV, Van, C1, C, D1, D etc etc can all be identified via the DVLA database. Vans get nicked at sub 60 so have not triggered the 60 limit.
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Camera is the most likely way to get caught for most speed offences. Every car gets its plate read, compared to dvla database re speed limit for the road the camera is on. Then speed recorded is checked against the vehicles limit. That's why people are now getting caught, before you had to brake the limit of the road to get caught. I dont know of any over 2040kg specific offences. Its a hard one for most to prove as few have the unladen weight on the v5 and even those that do don't use the same method to calc it.
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I think you will find it is enforced as people get speeding tickets for 50+ in a 60 & 60+ in a 70.
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Ok, Show me where in the RTA / C&U regs where it mentions windows as a factor......
