Rob D

The rim does not have to be past the witness marks from what I am seeing [to cause damage] If you are running the same chains on the same bar and rim is almost to witness marks - all good and keep going no need to replace it [even if through the witness marks don't replace it] If you buy a new bar and chains and rim is halfway to witness marks and looks worn - change it for a new one when moving over to the new bar and chains Would be my advice.

Granberg have never supplied diamond stones - only their standard grinding stones - yes these grinding stones have their weak points but I suppose they are cheap. The 'diamond' stones we sell here [are made by Dinasaw see below] They last a very long time before needing to be replaced They don't heat the tooth anywhere near as much as other mechanical sharpeners They come in fine and coarse depending on if you need a quick tune up or you have a damaged tooth They keep the same shape unlike the standard grinding stones which are fine to start with but quickly lose their shape as they wear We call them diamond stones as it's easier for people to understand as otherwise it generated the question 'so what is ABN then' and really there is no need to know about the coating - the main thing is they do the job. Grinding stones - Chainsawbars WWW.CHAINSAWBARS.CO.UK Click here to go back to the chain sharpening tools menu Dinasaw are based in Australia [you can see their website in the link below - they make some pretty high tech auto chainsaw sharpeners]. A quote from Gregg who owns the company: 'Basically the difference is this. You would use Borazon (ABN) on steel as it cuts better Diamond is almost exclusively used on Tungsten carbide as it will clog up and not cut efficiently when used on steel. All our grinding wheels for normal steel chain and bandsaw blades are coated with ABN. We only use Diamond on Tungsten carbide chain.' Home - DinaSaw WWW.DINASAW.COM.AU

I reckon it doesn't matter how you get that chain sharp and with what - as long as you get it sharp. When people say 'this method is the best this is method is crap' they are saying 'this method works for me, this other method did not'. Most methods work but you pick the one that suits you and gives good results.

The Granberg use ABN coated stones [we call them diamond because it's easier to understand] and they work very well indeed IMO [seems that you have given an opinion before trying them?] Also the standard stones work pretty well as well and both are faster than a file - my opinion only - but just saying I disagree with you on these points [but I will naturally be biased as we sell both!].

I don't know where this line is exactly or how to draw it but this question comes up all the time. From our point of view we have time to sell what we sell and provide some pointers - we don't have time to educate. How do you point this out to customers [politely]? 'I have a large oak tree come down in next doors garden, they said I can mill it, can I pop in and have a chat with someone about what I want to buy? I've never done milling before but am really keen to try it' I try to answer by 'we can sell you what you want to buy and give some pointers but we can't educate from scratch as it would take minimum a full morning and we don't have time to do this.' But it's an interesting discussion - for me it leads back to the opinion that everyone who uses a chainsaw should be required to do some sort of basic course [1 day?]. Not only because it's a dangerous tool but so at least it starts you on a road of building knowledge and taking the time, energy and some £ invested.

Also ref the Panther Mills and other mill kits we will be doing x2 chains rather than x1. You really need a spare chain with milling but I know cost wise people are looking to save money not getting another one. However it can cost you so much more in time energy and stress to hit something then have to frantically order another chain so you can continue the job we are going to include an extra one.

I'll get that added to this page here if it is not clear https://www.chainsawbars.co.uk/loyalty-discount/

Yep they will - however the 42" and 48" lo pro bars are here today so you have a couple of weeks to buy at the current pricing.

I've just had a letter from the school saying if anyone in the class tests positive - the rest of the class have to self isolate for 2 weeks - but what if both parents work?! Lots of nice words [below] that say nothing - everyone uses political talk now to sound good - I'm surprised the word 'robust' has not been used - that has got to be the word of the year! 'This is an eventuality that we have been planning for, for several weeks and has become a routine feature of the lives of many schools nationally. We are committed to supporting the well being and anonymity of children and families concerned, and the welfare and education of all. We are also mindful of the extra burdens and challenges this situation places on you as families, and on our staff. I am grateful for your patience and support in these circumstances.'

We have some changes coming up as follows: Price increases - on many products we have not put prices up for several years - but due to more MOQ pressure, direct product costs, shipping costs and needing to carry and store more inventory we are going to have to raise prices. The Panther mills will also be going up in price around 10% [this mainly due to the new winch system, new boxes which are coming soon, improving instruction manual etc.] Price rises will be different levels on different products and have not been finalised yet. But they will be coming into force Nov 1st onwards. Minimum order now of £30-00+vat on the website - small orders of x1 wedge or x1 can of spray paint have been creeping up so we are still keeping free delivery but you will need to spend £30-00+vat as a minimum on any order. Orders before 12 sent on next day [Mainland UK only] orders after 12 will go the day after. Couriers are turning up at odd times but 12 is the earliest. But either way this is going to be the cut off now. We get a few calls of 'any chance of getting this tomorrow' and we do try and get the order out but it often goes wrong and then we get the blame! I think it's easier to set a boundary on next day orders. Reminder that there is no arbtalk discount [keep getting asked!] but you auto get a loyalty discount based on spend. New customers that ask for coupon codes and discounts are always told no - the idea is to reward loyalty - not bribe new customers to becoming a regular then forget them! That's it for now but if you are thinking of buying a mill or similar then this is the heads up to do in Oct. Some items like the Echo saws won't change much in price. Others like the Panther mills will be around 10%.

Greasing is fine - but again it's the over greasing causes a lot of premature sprocket failures - and it's fine to over grease as long as you allow the bar to work the extra grease out slowly over the first couple of minutes of run time.

Very well put indeed Big J. And can we not be allowed to choose whether we take the risk or not rather than have laws tell us? We are adults many of us able to take on data and make decisions based on that? As another slightly ludicrous twist on how far the rules are going - it was our daughters friends birthday last weekend. We both have x3 in each family - we met in a restaurant had lunch - but we had to sing happy birthday outside [in the teeth of a 40 mph wind] as apparently you are not allowed to do this inside ie. people singing more chance of spittle, infection blah blah and another blah!

This is a good one!

Good points Big J - however we will never be sure if people were having lots of parties and not social distancing as people generally seem to gather information from what they see on the news. If the BBC shows a couple of parties during the lockdown with the title 'people in London flouted the rules and gathered despite the lock down' then we tend to see that as fact. Then everyone goes round repeating this to each other 'did you see they weren't obeying the rules in London at the weekend'. Where I live on the whole everyone is going with the guidelines and the rules. I don't watch the official news anymore as I know how influencing it is even if you come from a stance of not believing it. But when I speak to people and ask their opinions they generally repeat what was on the news the night before.

Yep I used that in the end! Why are google not listing protest info I wonder... there is every bit of info on hand washing/mask wearing/social distancing it goes on... nothing online about what to do if you disagree with the lock down.

Well either way I think the whole muzzle wearing thing is a complete load of tosh anyway. Have you seen the number of the things that are now blowing around the streets? My hairdresser said she had to move to a visor as constant mask wearing brought out bad dermatitis. I wear one only out of respect to others - but am completely against it. Sweden - even by the stats published [which are all we have to go by] - never had a lock down. You can cite all the variables ie. they are more sensible, more healthy, less live in cities etc etc. But if Covid is as contagious as they say and is as much a risk as they say why don't these figures reflect that? The only answer I can come to is - it is NOT as contagious as they say, it is NOT as much of a risk as they say and lock downs make bugger all difference!

I wonder if the protesters that cause the issues are given a back hander to do so? Maybe they aren't protesters in the first place Personally I am tired of the nonsense - there are no news stories on people who caught Corona, were ill for a week then back to work with no issues. No encouragement for people to look after themselves and others around them, it's all about fight the disease, magical vaccines that will solve everything. No isolating the vulnerable and allowing the rest of us freedown and work to keep sane and the economy failing. Search 'join anti COVID lockdown' online and find a group - because I can't... does that not strike you as odd? It's hard to protest against it all... I joined this today as in the word's of a well known song 'if we tolerate this then your children will be next'. I am going to become more proactive in all this. Liberty WWW.LIBERTYHUMANRIGHTS.ORG.UK Liberty challenges injustice, defends freedom and campaigns to make sure everyone in the UK is treated fairly. Join us...

You don't need sprockets this small - the Stihl and Panther mini bars running 1/4 .043 have very little kick back. They are using carving bars for supply reasons I suspect and prob in the end they will issue with a sprocket nose bar that runs 1/4 .043.

If you can find someone who is an experienced saw user and work with them for a couple of days. Learning how to use a chainsaw over the internet is prob possible but not the best route IMO.

If you want to watch a vid without all the usual nonsense that surrounds a promo vid then made one here.

And we have them all here - bear in mind we can't export the batteries so if you are further afield then by the bar body, charger, bar and chains and source the battery in your own country. Panther mini bars with a sprocket nose are a better option than the 1/4 .043 carving bar Echo provide [bear in mind this is our brand so naturally highly biased!] ECHO DCS-2500T - Chainsawbars WWW.CHAINSAWBARS.CO.UK

Yep they loves long bars in the US!

This is a similar one to this tread here which I started cause getting asked the question a lot!

Get this question a lot and there is no answer to it! Actually there is an answer 'I don't know because I don't know you!' It's not about the saw it's more about you the person using the saw. Personally I think it is a question you should be able to answer yourself and if you can't - stick to what the manufacture's guidelines say. Below from milling faqs. What is the max size bar I can put on my bar? What will my chainsaw bar pull? It is NOT about your chainsaw – it is about you. If you have a super experienced and knowledgeable chainsaw user [Test – you don’t know your chain size, the different chains types, the difference between a rim or spur sprocket you are a very long way from being one] then he/she can mount a much longer bar on their saw and use it with success. Same chainsaw but different user who has used a saw for a few years but doesn’t really know all that much and maintenance is poor – they have the same saw but if they try and go longer they come unstuck and potentially damage the chainsaw. You can go lo pro – and find info about that below – this def helps putting a longer bar on. But it really comes down to you not the chainsaw. Can I put a massive long bar on my saw – I can’t afford a new large saw.. I’ll cut slowly.. Similar to above. This is not a ‘can the saw pull the bar question’. If you are asking this question you don’t know enough about your saw in general! An experienced user will already know the answer to this question. Someone who ‘thinks’ they are experienced will likely break something by putting an over size bar on their saw. So the question cannot be answered easily – if you are asking this question the answer is likely ‘no don’t do it’ as the experienced users will already know what they can do with their saw and so never ask the question in the first place!

HS64-50WR 64"[162cm] GB Extra Long 5 Foot Bar 3/8 Lo Pro .050 196 drive links WWW.CHAINSAWBARS.CO.UK HSS64-63WR 64"[162cm] GB Slotted Extra Long 5 Foot Bar 3/8 Lo Pro .050 204 drive links A couple of times customers have said they find the 196 drive link chain does not fit - really you need to have breaking and mending kit to run these as the chain does stretch over time regardless if you start with 196 or 197 drive links.