Making the news today....

[kevinjohnsonmbe]

13 minutes ago, eggsarascal said:

Not in the near future though?

 

Or, am I miles off the mark again?

Potentially, 6-12 months I'd say, not that I'd welcome the upheaval, but it may be inevitable.

 

JRM or Corbyn - which one for you Mr E???  

[kevinjohnsonmbe]

2 minutes ago, eggsarascal said:

I've no idea why the double quote thing is happening.

I just thought it was the whisky at this end!

[the village idiot]

14 minutes ago, kevinjohnsonmbe said:

Without wishing to morph into the religious, capitalist / socialist debate....

 

He is an unabashed man of faith, and separately, independently wealthy....

 

Questions:

 

Can he (financially) sustain the children he has brought into the world?

(wether the world could sustain every human couple x 6 is another matter....)

 

If we accept his right to be of a 'faith', and that faith doesn't allow contraception, can we criticise him for following his faith?  Not sure where that would lead us....? (Well, I pretty much am sure actually)

 

If we were to question 'his' right to a family, would that necessarily 'require' us to apply equal scrutiny and judgement to all....?

 

 

In my estimation, yes, yes and yes.

[silky fox]

I've posted it before.....  But it will NEVER cease to be hilarious.....
 
 

Hilarious kev!..."tickle yer taste buds pasty"???

[eggsarascal]

14 minutes ago, kevinjohnsonmbe said:

Potentially, 6-12 months I'd say, not that I'd welcome the upheaval, but it may be inevitable.

 

JRM or Corbyn - which one for you Mr E???  

S'not as easy as that. I don't think either will be in the driving seat come the day, (neck on the line).

 

The truth is, I'd probably waste my vote elsewhere.

 

I still truly believe that the Tory party are despicable. I also have no faith in Corbyn, Mcdonell, Abbott and the like.

 

Strange times.

[Khriss]

Idiots breed - sadly - full stop ...... K

[kevinjohnsonmbe]

30 minutes ago, eggsarascal said:

S'not as easy as that. I don't think either will be in the driving seat come the day, (neck on the line).

 

The truth is, I'd probably waste my vote elsewhere.

 

I still truly believe that the Tory party are despicable. I also have no faith in Corbyn, Mcdonell, Abbott and the like.

 

Strange times.

I'm not stressing it.....  Vesp will tell us when and who to vote for..... 

 

It'll be easier than deciding myself - take last time:  

 

Corbyn et al, not an option.  

Local Tory, not an option.  

Lib Dems waste of time.

No UKIP candidate.

No BNP candidate.

No independent worth a toss.

Ended up voting Green!

 

Sad state of affairs really..... 

 

 

Edited February 3, 2018 by kevinjohnsonmbe

[eggsarascal]

3 minutes ago, kevinjohnsonmbe said:

I'm not stressing it.....  Vesp will tell us when and who to vote for..... 

Aye, I could just imagine him turning up at 'Neck End', (ask ya better half), telling folk where they are going wrong.

 

[Mull]

A fb post I read today

You are right to mention "pasture raised...produced in ways that can be maintained in perpetuity..." because when the meat is raised through grain feed (and the overwhelming majority of that produced in the US is) then the energy ineficiency of grain-fed meat production is just terrible and the ecological consequences are destructive.

According to Mark Shepard, in the book, "Restoration Agriculture":

"What is not so obvious is the energy loss when annual grains are fed to livestock. On average only 10 percent of any organism's food energy is converted into that creature's body. The remainder is used as fuel for the creature's metabolic processes, is dissipated as body heat, or is excreted. This phenomena has been researched and documented extremely well for hundreds of years and has led to what is called the tropic pyramid...

If a human being eats 10lbs of corn directly, approximately only one pound of that corn becomes (nutritionally deficient) human flesh and bone. The remainder is used as the energy for metabolism or is flushed down the sewer. If a cow eats 10lbs of corn, approximately one pound becomes cow, or in this case, beef steer.

Where the implications of the tropic pyramid become sinister is when human beings eat meat that was raised on grain. At this point the human being becomes a secondary consumer. Once again it is only approximately 10 percent of the energy of the previous tropic level that becomes converted into the biomass of the consumer. A human being eating beef would consume 10lbs of beef to build one pound of human flesh. This is the trophic level argument where vegans are absolutely correct. If a human eats one pound of corn-fed beef, they are actually consuming 10lbs. worth of corn. If it takes 10lbs. of beef to make one pound of human, that means that a corn-fed beef eating person is eating the equivalent of 100lbs. of corn in order to gain one pound...

Now according to our tropic level calculations, in order to get 1,050 lbs. of bovine, we need to feed it approximately 10,500 lbs of corn. For that 10,500 lbs of corn, all we get is a lousy 569 lbs of meat. Live weight to carcass yield-to-edible meat makes the trophic loss even more extreme."

In a rivalry, like the one going on here: "vegan vs non-vegan", the complexities of reality become simplified to magnify the dichotomy. Reality is that in Vermont (not a dryland), where you live, Seth, it's easier to obtain properly raised pasture grazed meat. What an outstanding farming culture there is in Vermont! But in many places (the entire corn belt of the US, which includes where I live, south western Kentucky), that is not the case. Overwhelmingly the meat in distribution is grain fed; you've got to go looking for the right farmer. It's in this disastrous grain-based conventional agriculture (sadly supported and spread by the extension arms of most US universities), that US vegans become confused, in part because they are unaccustomed to witnessing livestock raised in sustainable agricultural systems. It's not like we're blessed with herders like Dalmas Tiampati around here; neither are there many farmers like Peter Allen or Mark Shepard--yet. Most meat in distribution represents an ecological disaster in our current food system.

Believe me, I'm trying to work for these changes. But the young farmer today is up against systemic pressures, including access to land in a corporate consolidated agricultural economy. It's going to take a sustained social movement in all of our regions, collaborations with regional institutions, to steer the course of change over the next generation. In my opinion, land use can be redesigned in a holistic context of the place and circumstances to support a vibrant local food network. In the cities, primarily vegetables, herbs, flowers, mushrooms, and tree crops; maybe some chickens. In the small rural properties, annual and perennial crops, tree crops, mushrooms, fowl. In the larger rural landscapes and especially the drylands, holistic planned grazing, multi-species grazing, and perennial polyculture.

Appropriate design, and the food system generated from it, is contextual to so many complex realities.

Many thanks for your efforts, Seth. Especially those having to do with Soil 4 Climate and with Dalmas and the Massai in Kenya. [emoji172]

[Mark Bolam]

Eggs you bastard, I taught you to climb!

Well, tried!

JRM is a very interesting man.

Certainly ferociously intelligent, and impressed me greatly with his honesty and directness when answering questions.

The 6 child thing doesn’t sit that well with me, I feel slightly guilty having 3 (but the last 2 were twins), but his stance on who is paying for them is pretty admirable.

He is a massive millionaire posho, but I can think of far worse people to lead the country.

If he was my MP he’d get my vote.

Intelligence seems to be somewhat underrated at the moment.