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7 minutes ago, sime42 said:

So as British nurses also get to take advantage of our insane benefits system, Child Benefits and Pensions, then they are treated and rewarded in exactly the same way as the Eastern Europeans and Africans, (there's also a lot of far east Asians in the NHS). I'm not sure why we need to differentiate between the two groups. Bottom line is we need more of them, doesn't matter where they come from.

The significant difference is those that come over from poor countries can retire “back home” on a pension that dwarfs wages in these countries. They can send child benefits back to children still residing (real or not) in these poorer countries that again dwarf the average wage in these countries. In many instances working in the UK funds house purchases in their respective home countries that they could only dream of if they worked in their own countries. The incentives to come and work in the UK for these people are huge, the incentives for the British population simply is not there. 
 

The bottom line is wages on the NHS for those at the Coalface needs to increase significantly to draw British people towards a career in this field. 

[sime42]

The significant difference is those that come over from poor countries can retire “back home” on a pension that dwarfs wages in these countries. They can send child benefits back to children still residing (real or not) in these poorer countries that again dwarf the average wage in these countries. In many instances working in the UK funds house purchases in their respective home countries that they could only dream of if they worked in their own countries. The incentives to come and work in the UK for these people are huge, the incentives for the British population simply is not there. 
 
The bottom line is wages on the NHS for those at the Coalface needs to increase significantly to draw British people towards a career in this field. 

Our views converge, on the bottom line at least. The first paragraph seems more like opinion masquerading as fact. Do you have the figures to hand for benefit fraud by British bums versus immigrants?

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59 minutes ago, sime42 said:

1 hour ago, trigger_andy said:

The significant difference is those that come over from poor countries can retire “back home” on a pension that dwarfs wages in these countries. They can send child benefits back to children still residing (real or not) in these poorer countries that again dwarf the average wage in these countries. In many instances working in the UK funds house purchases in their respective home countries that they could only dream of if they worked in their own countries. The incentives to come and work in the UK for these people are huge, the incentives for the British population simply is not there. 
 
The bottom line is wages on the NHS for those at the Coalface needs to increase significantly to draw British people towards a career in this field. 

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Our views converge, on the bottom line at least. The first paragraph seems more like opinion masquerading as fact. Do you have the figures to hand for benefit fraud by British bums versus immigrants?

You’ve found the quote button at last. Congratulations. 

[sime42]

You’ve found the quote button at last. Congratulations. 

And you've found those figures?

[peds]

I could have a look for them if you want? 

 

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[trigger_andy]

And you've found those figures?

Twice in a row! You should show Peds how it’s done, he struggles as well.

Speaking of Peds he suggested I use Google to answer a question I had and readily found the answer I was looking for.

Perhaps you could play devils advocate and look yourself? I found plenty of links almost instantly.

[harvey b davison]

A few month back, the hospital I work for, took on 15 new nurses from Zimbabwe. We have turned a ward into a home for them. All areas of the NHS are understaffed due to the abysmal wages. But the top management don't care because they are all working from home still and are in denial about what is happening.

[daveatdave]

too many pen pushers in the NHS  that do not contribute to patient care and are on better wages than the nurses  

[Stere]

  Locum GPs  are on about   £800 per day     so not all front line staff are that poorly payed. Others are though esp the support staff etc.