Making the news today....

[scbk]

Slow news day here (lack of covid)

 

 

Large fallen tree grounds in middle of River Ness

WWW.ROSS-SHIREJOURNAL.CO.UK

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WALKERS strolling along the river in the Highland capital have been greeted by a new sight for the past few days – a large...

 

[Mark J]

22 hours ago, trigger_andy said:

How did you come to that conclusion based on what was written in the tweet? 

Full list of MPs who voted against the NHS being protected from foreign control in Brexit trade deals

WWW.THELONDONECONOMIC.COM

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The London Economic | Caroline Lucas put forward the amendment, calling for "red lines in the negotiations" rather...

 

[trigger_andy]

Full list of MPs who voted against the NHS being protected from foreign control in Brexit trade deals

WWW.THELONDONECONOMIC.COM

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The London Economic | Caroline Lucas put forward the amendment, calling for "red lines in the negotiations" rather...  

Had a read. Am I right in thinking it’s an amendment from the Green Party and Starmer that was put to a vote and not passed?

[Mark J]

[difflock]

Aye, them dammned foringers wont be as good at killing and disabeling babies as our wonderful NHS trusts have proved to be.

Just saying like.

[kevinjohnsonmbe]

53 minutes ago, Mark J said:

Not looking for a fight on this one Mark, but the reason they weren’t included this time is because they are still in the timeframe from their last negotiated pay deal. 
 

Aren’t we meant to stand by deals?

[Mark J]

16 minutes ago, kevinjohnsonmbe said:

Not looking for a fight on this one Mark, but the reason they weren’t included this time is because they are still in the timeframe from their last negotiated pay deal. 
 

Aren’t we meant to stand by deals?

 

Maybe so, but the dynamics are somewhat different now.
I think it's reasonable to renegotiate things when unforeseen events occur.

[kevinjohnsonmbe]

26 minutes ago, Mark J said:

 

Maybe so, but the dynamics are somewhat different now.
I think it's reasonable to renegotiate things when unforeseen events occur.

Ah yes, “bands”

 

If not absolutely all, the vast majority of public sector pays scales are subject to bands which increase annually in recognition of an additional years experience and seniority gained in post. 
 

This was the “hidden” pay rise that (I’m going to say all - pending someone coming up with a random exception) public sector workers received OVER AND ABOVE the very well reported minimal rises during the period of austerity. 
 

Whilst the headlines reported zero or minimal % public sector pay rises during austerity, they spectacularly and simultaneously excluded annual incremental band progression from the headlines. 
 

The notion that public sector pay has stagnated for a decade is simply inaccurate. Annual (automatic) incremental band progression paints a very different picture to that which is broadly painted. 

[Youngstu]

7 hours ago, kevinjohnsonmbe said:

Ah yes, “bands”

 

If not absolutely all, the vast majority of public sector pays scales are subject to bands which increase annually in recognition of an additional years experience and seniority gained in post. 
 

This was the “hidden” pay rise that (I’m going to say all - pending someone coming up with a random exception) public sector workers received OVER AND ABOVE the very well reported minimal rises during the period of austerity. 
 

Whilst the headlines reported zero or minimal % public sector pay rises during austerity, they spectacularly and simultaneously excluded annual incremental band progression from the headlines. 
 

The notion that public sector pay has stagnated for a decade is simply inaccurate. Annual (automatic) incremental band progression paints a very different picture to that which is broadly painted. 

From what I understand, there is usually a top band which is reached after a certain number of years, for example teachers can reach the top of their pay scales in about 12 years. So a more experienced staff member who chose to stay in the classroom rather than chasing promotion would have had their pay stagnated for a decade. I'd imagine it's a similar scenario across other industries where pay increases with experience, that only goes so far. So in terms of majority of people in those industries their pay did increase but only as they gained experience, those who were already experienced and chose to stay in more hands on roles rather than going for more desk based jobs had pay stagnation or cuts when annual rises were below inflation. 

[nepia]

Not looking for a fight on this one... increments have always been there, in the private sector too.  But they're not automatic (though usually implemented) and not annual.  They vary but automatic increment every year is not the norm.