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[felixthelogchopper]

On 08/07/2020 at 00:42, Mark J said:

Tory MP Mark Francois tells head of the army to overhaul defence or Dominic Cummings will ‘sort you out’

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Tory MP Mark Francois has warned the UK's most senior army general that Dominic Cummings will “sort you out his own...

A military coup would be just the ticket, before Godzilla rocks up in August.

 

Crikey, DM! What a ridiculous little bellend.

[Khriss]

Commons Defence committee have been clueless since WW2,  bunch of uninformed twats. K

 

( oh yea.... Lets sell off our fleet of Harrier VStol aircraft cos we wont need them for that new aircraft carrier we building....... ) 

[Khriss]

.... And lets not forget that shite SA80 fr the troops cos a gun that jams when you just look at it is a massive saving on bullets....  Along with a Cheiftan that HAS to run on domestic heating oil but cannot climb a hill.... Fab 120mm gun, just as long as the enemy are attacking within 5km of a block of German flats.... ?  K

[Stubby]

3 minutes ago, Khriss said:

.... And lets not forget that shite SA80 fr the troops cos a gun that jams when you just look at it is a massive saving on bullets....  Along with a Cheiftan that HAS to run on domestic heating oil but cannot climb a hill.... Fab 120mm gun, just as long as the enemy are attacking within 5km of a block of German flats.... ?  K

I thought the current tank was the Challenger with the smaller " stealth " Ajax ?

[Johnsond]

48 minutes ago, Stubby said:

I thought the current tank was the Challenger with the smaller " stealth " Ajax ?

Indeed it is the Challenger 2 with life upgrades etc etc. 
SA80 has long since been sorted out. So much gossip and shit about regarding how bad it was back in the day and how wonderful the old SLR was etc. I did basic training with an SLR and by then they were worn out unreliable and woefully lacking in accuracy. My current rifles will all hold under 1 MOA easy, back then 2.5-3 was acceptable with an SLR. Getting the SA 80 especially once upgraded by H&K was a massive improvement for the guys on the ground carrying it, ive used both and know which I’d prefer. Mind you that’s not to say it would be my first choice of all the current NATO service rifles.  

[Mike Hill]

It's hard to defend the virtues of a Rifle which no other country adopted,especially when you compared it to shagged out Rifles from the 1960's.

 

A SA80 is pretty much a abortion of a Rifle,based upon a Rifle which was designed to be as cheaply produced as possible,the AR18.

 

True that HK sorted out most of the glaring issues with it,but the fact remains that the A1 variant was so bad that it took half a billion quid to get it working reliably and respec the existing Rifles to A2.

 

Edited to add:

2-3 Mao from a shagged SLR is pretty impressive. I was lucky to get 2 Moa from my Lithgow L1 and about the same from my Belgian FAL.

 

 

[Khriss]

yr indeed correct Mr Stubby -  wot is also correct is that Challenger II had to have new engine packs chinooked in on a daily basis in the Gulf war , as they fell appart in the desert . In spite of other countries still managing to run their tank fleet in desert conditions ( which ARE f@cking harsh on anything anyway - but they manage ) mate was supervising that flight and the cost alone was astronomical . K

Edited July 11, 2020 by Khriss
Oddly the Iranians got a lot of our Cheiftans - up engined them - and still using them !

[Johnsond]

28 minutes ago, Mike Hill said:

It's hard to defend the virtues of a Rifle which no other country adopted,especially when you compared it to shagged out Rifles from the 1960's.

 

A SA80 is pretty much a abortion of a Rifle,based upon a Rifle which was designed to be as cheaply produced as possible,the AR18.

 

True that HK sorted out most of the glaring issues with it,but the fact remains that the A1 variant was so bad that it took half a billion quid to get it working reliably and respec the existing Rifles to A2.

 

 

Like I said it would not be my first pick  if I had an unlimited choice. As for defending rifles from the 60s , hate to tell you but that’s what we had well into the 80s I did my basic at pirbright in 84 and did two tours of NI in the 80s with SLR. 
SA 80 when it first arrived at battalion level did indeed have faults but it was as I said sorted out by later upgrades. All this is documented and has been debated over many times now. You piss with the cock you have Not the one you want in the British Army bud as if you were in you will be aware of. There are 6 ex forces lads inc myself onboard the boat I’m working off at the moment 5 of which have used the A2 on active service, so a pretty good base from which to draw information. 

Edited July 11, 2020 by Johnsond

[Mike Hill]

I'm not really sure what you do and where you are have anything to do with SA80 but I bet that's not what you drew from from the arms locker.

 

 

[Johnsond]

20 minutes ago, Mike Hill said:

I'm not really sure what you do and where you are have anything to do with SA80 but I bet that's not what you drew from from the arms locker.

 

 

We used what was issued I’m afraid not what we would have liked . I’m long since out nowadays.