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[Youngstu]

26 minutes ago, Sutton said:

You make good points. Interesting reading. Just remember most of us manual workers don't deal with many people and want tomorrow to be as predictable as it was yesterday. We save feelings for our families not strangers. Solving physical/material day to day probs, routine & rhythm of working with machines means we like order, habit and respect for authority/tradition. What you're saying is distrust our history, be suspicious of our non-PC friends and hope for a progressive future. Can see why older people would struggle with this - given they've got a plateful of their own probs already? Just saying

I understand what you're saying and the points you've made. Due to the opinions often expressed on here and treatment of those with more liberal view I rarely post but felt that today some opinions and statements needed to be challenged. I didn't expect my point of view to be agreed with by some, but have to admit to being quite shocked by the responses and the venom directed towards those with different opinions, which is probably why you see much less in the way of a liberal point of view on these forums. 

 

[Youngstu]

13 minutes ago, Johnsond said:

What do you want me to do like ??? Throw myself at the feet of every coloured person or descendant of a former British colony ???  Get a grip for Christ sake. 

not at all, but maybe show some understanding about why others wish to support those fighting against racism and discrimination that is entrenched in our society.

[donnk]

2 hours ago, Youngstu said:

And for thousands of years our ancestors and those of other groups of people in the world would have been regarded as "uncivilised", killing one another left right and centre, mistreating or exploiting their enemies along with  their own countrymen and families if they were not deemed to be worth treating well. 

If we were to consider ourselves to be a civilised and just country at this time (and possibly for the last century give or take a few wars, war crimes etc), is it not important to recognise the wrongs that were committed by the people who came before us which lead to our country becoming rich, powerful and "civilised" at the expense of other nations and their citizens. 

Many of our towns, cities and people still benefit from the profits made at the expense of those who were exploited, whether that's through our public buildings, universities, parks and other things that benefit the general population. 

I understand that you don't feel that you would want to apologise for something that wasn't your fault and many people don't wish to do so, but do you have no empathy or understanding of why there are many in our society who still feel the pain of what happened to their ancestors, how that  has effected them and others within their social grouping due to the treatment that has continued up until now?

Do you also seriously think it's unreasonable for others in our society to wish to stand alongside and support those who have been wronged through exploitation and discrimination over generations? 

If it wasn't for the British (and several other European nations) exploiting their colonies we would not have been able to maintain our position in the world.  Surely we should help and support those (countries, people) who were exploited for our benefit. 

the problem with this sort of collective guilt arguement is that it requires one side of it, 'the victim' to be acknolwedged by the other side as such. When this doesnt happen as people quite rightly cant be blames for the sins of the father, it kicks off. 

 

I do think we need to be honest and say not all cultures are equal.

 

The British has been a force for good throughout history, nearly all the former colonies are doing much better than their neighbours for example.

 

Why is it African countries are pretty much all $hitholes ? Is the cause of this it the race/populace or culture ?  or the fact some of them were colonies couple hundred years ago ?

 

cultures of the east are dominated by religion, women an underclass, homosexuals illegal etc. 

 

Make a list of all countries with no sewage/sanitation for the populace and you will see a pattern.

 

Western culture where religion is not a force in either the running of the country or legal system has set the bar. 

 

Sooner the politicians call out failed cultures the sooner they can be fixed. The media/left wont even allow the discussion of it as it would of course be called racist/hate speech etc.

 

 

Einstein once said that insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Sutton]

7 minutes ago, Youngstu said:

 have to admit to being quite shocked

 

Arbtalk is not a henhouse with only room for one cock! Look at MarkJ - he's not shy. Keep at it

[Khriss]

Shall look forward to some peace n quiet n tree talk then. ( god wot did i just say ?) k

[donnk]

1 hour ago, tree-fancier123 said:

There are biological reasons paedos exist. To say they can or cant help it touches on the question of free will

 

There are biological reasons for cancer existing, doesnt mean it should.

[Johnsond]

19 minutes ago, Youngstu said:

not at all, but maybe show some understanding about why others wish to support those fighting against racism and discrimination that is entrenched in our society.

What racism and discrimination??? From where I see things the joe average white working class male has just as hard a time of things than anyone else. Plus you know nothing of what I think do or have done in my life. Seriously bud the rubbish you are spouting sounds like something from a student union Marxist, socialist, gay , lesbian, trans, non gender this week,BLM,BAME rights for everyone but the racist ruling elite white meeting. 
Jokes aside I took a very attractive coloured girl to a social function at Wellington barracks in 1986 whilst serving in the Coldstream Guards, you could have heard a pin drop ?. You may be a bit young and naive to get that one but I guess some of the older ex squaddies on here will figure it out. 

[Youngstu]

57 minutes ago, Johnsond said:

What racism and discrimination??? From where I see things the joe average white working class male has just as hard a time of things than anyone else. Plus you know nothing of what I think do or have done in my life. Seriously bud the rubbish you are spouting sounds like something from a student union Marxist, socialist, gay , lesbian, trans, non gender this week,BLM,BAME rights for everyone but the racist ruling elite white meeting. 
Jokes aside I took a very attractive coloured girl to a social function at Wellington barracks in 1986 whilst serving in the Coldstream Guards, you could have heard a pin drop ?. You may be a bit young and naive to get that one but I guess some of the older ex squaddies on here will figure it out. 

So you're saying that this country is free from racism and discrimination!? And if I remember correctly it was you that lives in the countryside and doesn't see any there?  Living and working in a rural area and working with lots of "Joe average white working class male" over the years, I'm very well aware of how hard a time some have with it all and nobody here is saying that any particular group doesn't have it hard, but I'm also very aware of the racism and discrimination that exists in this part of society, especially where society is far from diverse. 

I think it's also reasonable to say that you don't know any more about what I think, do or have done other than my responses on this topic. Some others make their opinions very clear on a regular basis! 

[Johnsond]

35 minutes ago, Youngstu said:

So you're saying that this country is free from racism and discrimination!? And if I remember correctly it was you that lives in the countryside and doesn't see any there?  Living and working in a rural area and working with lots of "Joe average white working class male" over the years, I'm very well aware of how hard a time some have with it all and nobody here is saying that any particular group doesn't have it hard, but I'm also very aware of the racism and discrimination that exists in this part of society, especially where society is far from diverse. 

I think it's also reasonable to say that you don't know any more about what I think, do or have done other than my responses on this topic. Some others make their opinions very clear on a regular basis! 

There is not a country on this planet that is free all forms of discrimination or racism. you should try a trip to the rougher areas of Lagos or Luanda and see how you get on. But it is not prevalent at the levels that many including yourself seem to want us all to believe.  Indeed I know little or in reality care what you have done etc. I’ve mixed and worked with many nationalities and can say I judge a man on what he is not his colour. There are plenty of white and black peoples who are equal when it comes to being total arseholes just as there are plenty of really good guys of all colours. 
What’s annoying is the sanctimonious and quite frankly not welcome sermons from the likes of you whom seem to think you occupy the moral high ground. As for living in the countryside, yeah I do now but was born and raised in a small mining village that was devastated by the mine closures. My choices at 16 were the Dole or the Army ?‍♂️?‍♂️. 
 

[kevinjohnsonmbe]

4 hours ago, eggsarascal said:

Better somewhere in the Midlands and build the new house with bedrooms, no expensive hotels needed then for politicians working away from their constituency.

RAF Stafford (as was) would have been an ideal location.  All ‘inside the wire’, safe and sound, as a concession, maybe throw them in the Wardroom (Junior Services might call it the officers’ mess) as a concession. Let them have the best of what they expect others to live in.  
 

My suggestion, and I still stand by it, is a purpose built site in MK. A pre-fab all inclusive business/living site. Throw it up on brown field, cancel multi billion £ renovation of Westminster, hand Palace of Westminster over to English heritage as a public attraction. 
 

There is not a sane, reasonable individual that can argue against it - only the snouts in troughs will say otherwise.