Pay

[MattyF]

£100 a day on the books with two years experience is good.

How much is the freelancer with years of experience on a day ?

[swinny]

£100 a day on the books with two years experience is good.

How much is the freelancer with years of experience on a day ?

 

Exactlyi would have said 100.00 a day is a free lancers rate with 2 years experiance and generally less for an on the books person due to security, sick and holiday pay.

[Dorset Treeman]

On the books people don't have to pay for ppe, insurance, continued training, fuel, chain oil, files, chains, repairs, ropes, karabiners, rigging kit, felling wedges etc etc. they also get at least 20 days holiday and 8 public holidays paid so should be paid considerably less imo than the sub-contractor who is expected to provide all of the above.

 

If somebody told you that you should be paid more than you are, maybe ask them who exactly is paying this higher rate to employed climbers and apply for a job there?

 

I think the reason you are getting such blunt replies on here is that people running arb businesses work many hours trying to keep the business going with people employed, a lot of this time, money and effort going on behind the scenes and then we see a post like this it ruffles a few feathers. You are more than entitled to ask the question though so don't be put off. Only your boss knows how much you are worth to him. We can only guestimate!

[tree-fancier123]

24k is loads already, admittedly not enough to buy a nice home, but compared to other jobs after 2 years on the books it's very good.

 

Considering the various accident threads on here, chewed up hands, broken ribs, smashed backs, maybe the fact you're earning ok money already reflects a bit of danger money thrown in. Mind you, how much does a soldier with 2 years experience get?

 

However much you get, spend some of it on non fiction books, trees, engineering, botany, mycology, or stuff in a completely unrelated field - accountancy, the great thing about books is they take so long to read, so you aren't constantly shopping.

Edited March 29, 2015 by tree-fancier123

[Ian C]

I think your doing v well, I wouldn't pay you that much with only 2 yrs experience, look at other trades and you might be shocked!

[Wolfie]

£100 a day works out at £26k, then your employer pays NIC on top of that so it's costing him closer to £30K without add ppe and benefits.

I personally think that your on an excellent wage for two years experience and if i was your boss i would only consider upping it a little more IF you are the full package, i.e. Very good reduction skills, reliable and capable of the big rigging dismantles.

[AlexB]

07:30-5 = 9.5 hrs a day. Let's average an hour unpaid for breaks. 8.5hrs. 11.75hr now, your training investment is what? £2-3k plus a couple of years experience. You supply nothing yourself as you're paye and get sick/holiday and paid for any extra training plus you're not paying for the training. Now, let's compare that to say..... A lorry driver (class 1), same investment in training, the vehicle alone is worth £150k forget what's inside and £12hr. Away from home a lot, dealing with traffic.....

 

If it's not enough to live in Hertfordshire, move. I bet there's a lot more, living on alot less.

[peatff]

Don't let your boss see this topic or you might be getting a drop

[Dorset Treeman]

Don't let your boss see this topic or you might be getting a drop

 

 

Ha ha. That would be interesting to get his boss to post on this thread.

[aspenarb]

Touchy subject is pay, its made worse by the teabreak comparisons when they all start revealing what they earn to each other. This makes it even harder for an employer to give a lad that excels in his job a bit more for his efforts. Drawing comparisons in pay from employed/selfemployed climbers is impossible, a guy that turns up in his own truck with all his own kit that has years of experience is a world away from a nervous wet behind the ears freshman. If the lad that started the thread feels hard done by he needs to have a quiet chat with his boss and come to a different arrangement, its a very small world this and burning bridges is a mistake. Perhaps its time to go self employed.

 

Bob