Drugs at work

[Treemon]

I started this topic as opinion but yes couldn't agree more you seem to be shot down in flames for having a voice and (25 years experience) . Will no doubt be harangued for this as well

 

 

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[Paul Barton]

If you start or contribute to a thread about a contentious subject then you should expect people to offer different opinions! No one is being shot down in flames and it's no good blaming the forum....it's open discussion, that's all.

[geoff]

I cant see any 'dogfight' comments here personally, so agree with Paul (above), but anyone turning out for work in anyway affected by intoxicants is out of order, whatever one gets up to in their private life.

[Ian Leach]

Definitely a no no, I worked with someone when I first started he was a team leader. He use to smoke it at every opportunity during the day, then he started the mood swings, chucking saws and hedge trimmers out of a hedge reduction. Swearing in front of a customer then preceded to sit in van whilst me and customer finished the work, the customer obviously complained about him and said how helpful I was.

Got to work then next day , got my arse kicked by the boss for using a climbing saw as I wasn't qualified then

 

Guess the moral of the story is, don't do drugs

 

Even if I had a slight hangover and wasn't 100% I wouldn't risk work.

 

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[AlvinD]

What a load of codswallop, bang em in ta yeeee :thumbup:

[skyhuck]

It's all about thrills I guess, before I was a dad things were different. Nothing fazed me. Now I have the zero tolerance. In my earlier post I was going with an open mind attitude but it appears to be remov

 

Your post was removed because of your use of foul language, plain and simple, don't be taken in by our resident conspiracy theorists

[Steve Bullman]

Unfortunately with this forum, anyone who has an open mind is wrong! It's getting more and more soap box, if someone new asks about saws, PPE subjects are rammed down their throats, if someone makes a joke, 50% of the users find it offensive. As the forum rules state, don't criticise it unless you've tried it, that can apply for our equipment or anything else that gets mentioned on here!

 

 

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theres nothing wrong with the forum, just with a few members who are thankfully in the minority. If you don't like this place then please leave without trying to sour it for the good members who take a lot from here, thanks

[Taupotreeman]

theres nothing wrong with the forum, just with a few members who are thankfully in the minority. If you don't like this place then please leave without trying to sour it for the good members who take a lot from here, thanks

 

Hmmm, must have missed something here. I thought I'd swapped threads by mistake. All of a sudden nothing made sense. Hey ho.

 

As far as the drugs go; well, we've got a guy at work who has cancer and is on some oxy thingy drug for the pain. Apparently ok'd by the quack to work but the medication restrictions say no driving or operating machinery. He drove a ride on mower over a 10m bank the other day. Doc still says he's ok to use the machinery. My point is, there is a clouded divide on drugs. Take out the legalities for a minute and many of our everyday prescribed drugs can be just as bad as a puff on a joint. Plenty of evidence to back this up too. Personally, it's a zero tolerance at work. Pre employment, random and post incident testing is now common place and includes alcohol. I used to enjoy a smoke myself but gave up around 3 or 4 years ago. Only smoked at night but definitely noticed a difference in my motivation, clarity of thinking and judgement when I gave up. Also lost a lot of my paranoia.

Out of work, it's up to the individual. As long as it isn't affecting or brought to work. I find it a bit rich that people who go out and get plastered on a Saturday night often have a crack at those that like a smoke. Again, take out the legalities and which, if any, is worse for you.

I should also point out that at least one state in the US has now legalised cannabis and it's looking like the US government won't interfere. World leaders are also trying to shift the whole way drugs are looked at and are looking at countries that have either decriminalised or legalised certain drugs to see how this has affected the arrest rates, jail numbers, policing, injuries and incidents.This could have massive implications for industries going forward.

 

 

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[AlexB]

I've got to say it concerns me how many people try to justify that using drugs is ok. As for alcohol, it may well be legal. But, the same rules apply.

 

If you have consumed enough to affect you at work be it one or even two days before then don't be at work.

 

If you agree to a contract of employment then there are no excuses, you either adhere to it or find another job, preferably behind a desk where you don't make any decisions.

 

Yes in the 1960s when dinosaurs roamed the earth people did drink and drive, sup 4 pints at lunch time. But culture has evolved.

 

In a professional environment there is no place for alcohol or drugs.

 

If you think you are entitled to do as you wish in your own time you are wrong. You have agreed to a contract which requires that you do not attend work under the influence of drugs or alcohol. So, at home, in your own time you must ensure that when you go to work there are no prohibited substances in your system.

 

The second you attend work with traceable levels of illegal substances or levels above what is specified in your contract by your employer (this can be lower than the legal driving limit) you are committing gross miss conduct and if for me will no longer be employed. Others may be more lenient but don't get your hopes up.

 

If its drugs you would also be reported to the police.

 

We work with lethal machinery, in high risk environments. I fail to see why you wouldn't want to be of full awareness when at work.

 

The "you drink, that's no different to taking drugs" argument is child like. Gets nobody any where, it brings no validity to the debate. The use of alcohol is legal. But to be under its influence at work makes you equally sackable at work as the bloke who's had a joint the night before, or vice versa, any other drugs etc.

 

Even if you have no contract, self employed bla bla bla, with the equipment we use you have a legal obligation to be drug and alcohol free.

[Hedge hunter]

I've got to say it concerns me how many people try to justify that using drugs is ok. As for alcohol, it may well be legal. But, the same rules apply.

 

If you have consumed enough to affect you at work be it one or even two days before then don't be at work.

 

If you agree to a contract of employment then there are no excuses, you either adhere to it or find another job, preferably behind a desk where you don't make any decisions.

 

Yes in the 1960s when dinosaurs roamed the earth people did drink and drive, sup 4 pints at lunch time. But culture has evolved.

 

In a professional environment there is no place for alcohol or drugs.

 

If you think you are entitled to do as you wish in your own time you are wrong. You have agreed to a contract which requires that you do not attend work under the influence of drugs or alcohol. So, at home, in your own time you must ensure that when you go to work there are no prohibited substances in your system.

 

The second you attend work with traceable levels of illegal substances or levels above what is specified in your contract by your employer (this can be lower than the legal driving limit) you are committing gross miss conduct and if for me will no longer be employed. Others may be more lenient but don't get your hopes up.

 

If its drugs you would also be reported to the police.

 

We work with lethal machinery, in high risk environments. I fail to see why you wouldn't want to be of full awareness when at work.

 

The "you drink, that's no different to taking drugs" argument is child like. Gets nobody any where, it brings no validity to the debate. The use of alcohol is legal. But to be under its influence at work makes you equally sackable at work as the bloke who's had a joint the night before, or vice versa, any other drugs etc.

 

Even if you have no contract, self employed bla bla bla, with the equipment we use you have a legal obligation to be drug and alcohol free.

thats the way it is your right.

 

 

it dont take much to trip and go through the chipper.....