HS2 Over

[Pete Mctree]

HS2 was just not needed in a country this size. Extra rail capacity-yes, and needed urgently, but building a scar across the landscape at an insane environmental and social cost - no f***ing way.

It was always a project for the huge civil engineering companies to make an obscene amount of money on. Unwanted, badly planned and funded and delivered irresponsibly. 

[difflock]

Tell you what, problem solved;

All-Island Rail Review: Ambitious £31 billion plan aims to reconnect rail network in Ireland

WWW.BELFASTTELEGRAPH.CO.UK

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Ambitious plans to transform the railway network in Northern Ireland includes new lines from Derry to Portadown and Belfast to Newry.

Thoughts, please.

[sime42]

Here's a nice idea for just 1% of the cost of HS2;-

 

"""A £1 billion five-year plan is needed to save England’s ancient forests, which are more polluted, damaged and contain less wildlife than at any other point in history, the Woodland Trust has said.

 

Its plan, which it said would cost 4% of the Government’s road building budget and 1% of HS2’s price tag, sets out how to reverse the problems identified in its 2021 report State of the UK’s Woods and Trees."""

 

 

‘Irreplaceable habitats’ can be saved with £1bn five-year plan, says charity

WWW.INDEPENDENT.CO.UK

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Only 9% of England’s native woods are in good condition and one third of all woodland species are in decline...

 

[Muddy42]

3 hours ago, sime42 said:

Here's a nice idea for just 1% of the cost of HS2;-

 

"""A £1 billion five-year plan is needed to save England’s ancient forests, which are more polluted, damaged and contain less wildlife than at any other point in history, the Woodland Trust has said.

 

Its plan, which it said would cost 4% of the Government’s road building budget and 1% of HS2’s price tag, sets out how to reverse the problems identified in its 2021 report State of the UK’s Woods and Trees."""

 

 

We also need a change of policy - this is Forestry Scotland's idea of sustainable biodiverse forestry, 75% of the area can be planted in non native Sitka.

 

 

 

[sime42]

1 hour ago, Muddy42 said:

 

We also need a change of policy - this is Forestry Scotland's idea of sustainable biodiverse forestry, 75% of the area can be planted in non native Sitka.

 

 

 

 

Biodiversity of about 1 in that picture!

Sorry, 2 - I didn't count the moss.

 

[Muddy42]

10 minutes ago, sime42 said:

 

Biodiversity of about 1 in that picture!

Sorry, 2 - I didn't count the moss.

 

You were right the first time, the moss has just been photoshop-ed in green and there has definitely been some flash photography involved.  I bet the forestry investors and carbon credit offset crew imagine the are promoting oak trees and bluebells!

[lux]

8 minutes ago, Big J said:

I've just become aware of the Danes building a sub-sea tunnel from Rødbyhavn to Puttgarden (I'm a little slow - they've been planning it for over a decade).

 

The projected cost for it (to be completed in 2029) is 6.1 billion euros, or 340 million per kilometer. 

 

HS2 will cost around £1 billion per kilometer, by the time it's finished. 

 

How on earth can building two train tracks across fairly flat English countryside cost more than three times as much as constructing a 4 lane motorway and 2 lane train tracks on the sea bed? 

 

And I bet the Danes finish the tunnel first too.

I always liked that Nordic noir crime series , 'The Bridge' 

Maybe we can have 'The Tunnel' next .......... 

 

 

[Peasgood]

1 hour ago, Big J said:

How on earth can building two train tracks across fairly flat English countryside cost more than three times as much as constructing a 4 lane motorway and 2 lane train tracks on the sea bed? 

I should think there would be massive savings by not having to have newt surveys and archeological reports on the seabed. They will be fecked if the bats find it and decide it's a cave though, perhaps they just work on the assumption that it will be finished by then or maybe they put it down as ecological mitigation.

[GarethM]

US to get first dedicated high-speed railway – built by Network Rail

INEWS.CO.UK

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The move comes just months after the northern leg of the UK's own high-speed rail service HS2 was scrapped

 

 

[devon TWiG]

3 hours ago, Big J said:

I've just become aware of the Danes building a sub-sea tunnel from Rødbyhavn to Puttgarden (I'm a little slow - they've been planning it for over a decade).

 

The projected cost for it (to be completed in 2029) is 6.1 billion euros, or 340 million per kilometer. 

 

HS2 will cost around £1 billion per kilometer, by the time it's finished. 

 

How on earth can building two train tracks across fairly flat English countryside cost more than three times as much as constructing a 4 lane motorway and 2 lane train tracks on the sea bed? 

 

And I bet the Danes finish the tunnel first too.

You have obviously overlooked the fact that LAND , houses farms etc does not need to be purchased to build a tunnel !!!!