£15/hour

[eggsarascal]

If £15/hour is out of the way for a lot of people why is it acceptable that a house share (around here) costs £450-£600/month.

 

Not that I'm saying either is right or wrong, just curious.

[Retired Climber]

Out of the way? 

[Johnnyboxer]

Lincs veg growers are offering £30/hr if the pickers can achieve their piece work targets, aren’t they ?

[Stere]

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Out of the way? 

beyond the pale

[eggsarascal]

54 minutes ago, Johnnyboxer said:

Lincs veg growers are offering £30/hr if the pickers can achieve their piece work targets, aren’t they ?

If you can hit the numbers, what they don't tell you is, the numbers are almost unacheivable. Do you know differently? When were you last picking Veg on the Lincs Fens?

Edited October 1, 2021 by eggsarascal

[Jack.P]

12 hours ago, eggsarascal said:

If you can hit the numbers, what they don't tell you is, the numbers are almost unacheivable. Do you know differently? When were you last picking Veg on the Lincs Fens?

Likely Almost impossible.just trying to entice people in .

piece rate fencing was the same and you’d only get there advertised day rate ie 200 if you’d spend the next week on the sofa recovering .working like that definitely not sustainable for over a few days  

[Big J]

13 hours ago, eggsarascal said:

If £15/hour is out of the way for a lot of people why is it acceptable that a house share (around here) costs £450-£600/month.

 

Not that I'm saying either is right or wrong, just curious.

 

In principle, I have no problem with £15/hr. There is no one that I regularly work with on less than £20/hr.

 

The problem is that you can't hold everyone to the same standard. I've had guys work for me at £10hr that have cost me £5/hr in timber not produced. I've got guys working for me who I pay £22/hr that make me good money each and every time they come to work. 

 

The problem with an hourly rate is that there is a massive chasm between the best and the worst workers. To apply such a high minimum wage would be fine if everyone was at least reasonable at their jobs, but there are so many people in society today for whom tying shoe laces is the limit of their technical skill. A lot of these folk you'd genuinely be better off funding to stay out of the work place and prohibit them from reproducing. It could be considered seriously harsh, but the world is full enough already without generating millions more useless people whose jobs have already been replaced by machines.

 

Postscript: That's what I love about Arbtalk. You can start a post being very supportive of socialist ideals and end up on a bit of a eugenics vibe 😬 😆

[Richard 1234]

In theory it’s fine until everyone else wants 60% on top too which they will. Hyperinflation would be the outcome in my opinion though I could well be wrong.

[Haironyourchest]

This debate comes up in America all the time, and the results are known. Jacking up minimum wage only benefits the bottom tier in the very short term, as the wider economy repositions quickly to cancel out the increased wage.

 

Employers can't afford the increased wage burden, so they sack the least productive workers. This puts more pressure on the productive ones who end up working harder to take up the slack. The sacked workers draw Dole which increases the tax burden which in turn is shouldered by the economy, further straining the employers by way of their customers having less disposable income...the landlord class cotton on to the increased spending power of the workers and raise the rent. The end result is you've removed some half-way productive people from the labor force and everyone is worse off...

 

 

 

Edited October 1, 2021 by Haironyourchest

[spuddog0507]

£15 hr is a fair rate for some but not for others, as Big J says some people need to stay away from a work site as they will never fit in, i have 1 guy who works with us and he does work, he can fell tree after tree all day but cant use a tape measure so some logs end up under size and that costs, if he is just on 2,5 mtr firewood its ok but not on saw logs, another guy i pay him well as i dont need to watch him or check anything its all done right, 

 Back in the yard i pay lads £10 a IBC cage for splitting firewood one lad will do 2 + cages an hour and the other lad ( if he turns up ) when he gets there he just wants to arse about on his phone and struggles to do one an hour, he then complains that he has worked hard and he only got £40 for the day !! and the other lad gets £140, should i subsidise him the other £100 ? and me loose out NO he will just have to learn that in life you sometimes have to put some effort in to get the reward !! Some people will never understand how things work with in business, and the older i get the more i think some of the younger lads are just not worth entertaining,