5G and is it harmful?

[Rob D]

Seems 5G will be here soon - and similar to smart meters there seems a lot of people saying that it will be harmful for health. Just read through this article and it seems well though out and referenced. Anyone got any thoughts on the subject?

 

As with most things seems hard to pin down facts from conspiracy...  certainly technology and waves of all different kinds seem to be getting more intrusive. But when you look at the old cigarette ads... it's hard to know what to believe!

 

 

 

 

 

 

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/5g_risk_to_health

 

Emma Gomez left an annotation (13 October 2018)

I would like this request to be sent also to Duncan Selbie and all others within public health England who made the decision to go ahead with 5G and a list of their names for the public to be able to recognise those who are to be responsible for the decision. IF you would please also share the research you have used about the safety levels for humans. How did those who conducted the research come to the conclusion about what is a safe and an unsafe level of radio waves over long term continuous use.
How do I opt out from being bombarded by these dangerous frequencies?
The following is taken from this website. https://eluxemagazine.com/magazine/dange...
The idea behind 5G is to use untapped bandwidth of the extremely high-frequency millimeter wave (MMW), between 30GHz and 300GHz, in addition to some lower and mid-range frequencies.

High-frequency MMWs travel a short distance. Furthermore, they don’t travel well through buildings and tend to be absorbed by rain and plants, leading to signal interference. Thus, the necessary infrastructure would require many smaller, barely noticable cell towers situated closer together, with more input and output ports than there are on the much larger, easier to see 4G towers. This would likely result in wireless antennas every few feet, on every lamp post and utility pole in your neighbourhood.

Here are some numbers to put things into perspective: as of 2015, there were 308,000 wireless antennas on cell towers and buildings. That’s double the 2002 number. Yet 5G would require exponentially more, smaller ones, placed much closer together, with each emitting bursts of radiofrequency radiation (RFR)–granted, at levels much lower than that of today’s 4G cell towers–that will be much harder to avoid because these towers will be ubiquitous. If we could see the RFR, it would look like a smog that’s everywhere, all the time.
First, it’s important to know that in 2011, the World Health Organization’s International Agency for Research on Cancer classified RFR as a potential 2B carcinogen and specified that the use of mobile phones could lead to specific forms of brain tumors.

Many studies have associated low-level RFR exposure with a litany of health effects, including:

DNA single and double-strand breaks (which leads to cancer)
oxidative damage (which leads to tissue deterioration and premature ageing)
disruption of cell metabolism
increased blood-brain barrier permeability
melatonin reduction (leading to insomnia and increasing cancer risks)
disruption of brain glucose metabolism
generation of stress proteins (leading to myriad diseases)
As mentioned, the new 5G technology utilizes higher-frequency MMW bands, which give off the same dose of radiation as airport scanners. The effects of this radiation on public health have yet to undergo the rigours of long-term testing. Adoption of 5G will mean more signals carrying more energy through the high-frequency spectrum, with more transmitters located closer to people’s homes and workplaces–basically a lot more (and more potent) RFR flying around us. It’s no wonder that apprehension exists over potential risks, to both human and environmental health.

Perhaps the strongest concern involves adverse effects of MMWs on human skin.
This letter
https://ehtrust.org/letter-fcc-dr-yael-s...
to the Federal Communications Commission, from Dr Yael Stein of Jerusalem’s Hebrew University, outlines the main points. Over ninety percent of microwave radiation is absorbed by the epidermis and dermis layers, so human skin basically acts as an absorbing sponge for microwave radiation. Disquieting as this may sound, it’s generally considered acceptable so long as the violating wavelengths are greater than the skin layer’s dimensions. But MMW’s violate this condition.

Furthermore, the sweat ducts in the skin’s upper layer act like helical antennas, which are specialized antennas constructed specifically to respond to electromagnetic fields. With millions of sweat ducts, and 5G’s increased RFR needs, it stands to reason that our bodies will become far more conductive to this radiation. The full ramifications of this fact are presently unclear, especially for more vulnerable members of the public (e.g., babies, pregnant women, the elderly), but this technology

Furthermore, MMWs may cause our pain receptors to flare up in recognition of the waves as damaging stimuli. Consider that the US Department of Defense already uses a crowd-dispersal method called the Active Denial System, in which MMWs are directed at crowds to make their skin feel like it’s burning, and also has the ability to basically microwave populations to death from afar with this technology if they choose to do so. And the telecommunications industry wants to fill our atmosphere with MMWs?
Other distressing research

Unfortunately, innocent animals have already been the victims of testing to see MMW’s effects on living cells. Extrapolating the results from animal testing to humans isn’t straightforward, but the results nonetheless raise some serious red flags. Perhaps most significantly, a US National Toxicology Program study noted that male rats exposed to RFR for nine hours a day over two years developed rare forms of tumours in the brain and heart, and rats of both sexes developed DNA damage.

The researchers noted that the increased risk to the rats was relatively small; but if these findings translate to humans, the widespread increase in cellphone use could have a significant impact on populations. Thus the NTP study served to renew the debate about the potential harmful effects of cellphones on human health. Not only that, it caused a significant shift in the American Cancer Society’s understanding of radiation and cancer, and sparked them to state that our ignorance of RFR’s impact on human health could be compared to our previous obliviousness to the connection between smoking and lung cancer.

Other animal research worldwide illustrates how microwave radiation in general and MMW’s in particular can damage the eyes and immune system, cell growth rate, even bacterial resistance. An experiment at the Medical Research Institute of Kanazawa Medical University showed that 60GHz millimeter-wave antennas produce thermal injuries in rabbit eyes, with thermal effects reaching below the eye’s surface. This study, meanwhile, suggests low-level MMW’s caused lens opacity–a precursor to cataracts–in rats’ eyes. A Chinese study demonstrated that eight hours’ of microwave radiation damaged rabbits’ lens epithelial cells. A Pakistani study concluded that exposure to mobile phone EMF prevented chicken embryo retinal cells from properly differentiating.

This Russian study revealed that exposing healthy mice to low-intensity, extremely high-frequency electromagnetic radiation severely compromised their immune systems. And a 2016 Armenian study concluded that low-intensity MMW’s not only depressed the growth of E. coli and other bacteria, but also changed certain properties and activity levels of the cells. The same Armenian study noted that MMW interaction with bacteria could lead to antibiotic resistance–distressing news, considering immunity to bacteria is already compromised due to the overuse of antibiotics.

Again, if these findings translate to humans, our rampant cellphone use would likely cause profound, adverse health effects; an increase in MMW’s as more bandwidth is introduced could further complicate the matter. But what’s also important to note here is that 5G technologies will not only have a profound impact on human health, but on the health of all living organisms it touches, including plants, as we shall see.

5G harms the planet, too

Equally disturbing, 5G technology puts environmental health at risk in a number of ways. First, MMWs may pose a serious threat to plant health. This 2010 study showed that the leaves of aspen seedlings exposed to RFR exhibited symptoms of necrosis, while another Armenian study suggested low-intensity MMW’s cause “peroxidase isoenzyme spectrum changes”–basically a stress response that damages cells–in wheat shoots. Plant irradiation is bad news for the planet’s flora, but it’s bad news for us, too: it could contaminate our food supply.

Second, the 5G infrastructure would pose a threat to our planet’s atmosphere. Network implementation will require the deployment of many, short-lifespan satellites via suborbital rockets propelled by hydrocarbon rocket engines. According to this 2010 California study, launching too many of these babies will vomit enough black carbon into the atmosphere to pollute global atmospheric conditions, affecting distribution of ozone and temperature. Worse, solid-state rocket exhaust contains chlorine, an ozone-destroying chemical. How can any government seriously concerned about climate change allow for this?

Third, 5G will potentially threaten natural ecosystems. According to several reports over the last two decades–some of which are summarized here–low-level, non-ionizing microwave radiation affects bird and bee health. It drives birds from their nests and causes plume deterioration, locomotion problems, reduced survivorship and death. And bee populations suffer from reduced egg-laying abilities of queen bees and smaller colony sizes. More evidence of ecosystem disruption comes from this 2012 meta-study, which indicates that 593 of 919 research studies suggest that RFR adversely affects plants, animals and humans.

It bears repeating: 5G is bad news for all living creatures and the planet we share.

Beware the propaganda deluge

Despite being fully aware of all these unsettling results, threats and concerns, the US corporatocracy continues to maintain a gung-ho attitude about 5G. The Mobile Now Act was passed in 2016, and many US states have since gone ahead with 5G plans. The telecom industry’s biggest players have basically co-opted government powers to enforce their 5G agenda, with companies like AT&T and Qualcomm having begun live testing. And despite research showing serious threats to humans and the planet, the FCC Chairman announced intentions to open low-, mid- and high-frequency spectrums, without even mentioning a single word about the dangers.

They’re going to sell this to us as ‘faster browsing speeds’ – but the truth is, you’ll barely even notice the difference. They’re going to call anyone who protests against 5G a ‘Luddite’ or ‘technophobe’. But why such a willingness to embrace another new technology – even though it carries serious risks and brings spurious benefits? Why not heed the lessons learned from killer products like asbestos, tobacco and leaded gasoline?

Because a tiny percentage of people will gain an awful lot of money, is one reason. And because companies and governments will be given unprecedented amounts of power over civilians is the other.

All isn’t doom and gloom, though. At least one US politician is maintaining some level-headedness: in October, California Governor Jerry Brown stopped legislation that would have allowed the telecom industry to inundate the state with mini-towers. Brown’s bold actions have permitted localities a say in where and how many cell towers are placed.

The state of Hawaii has stopped 5G and smart meters by collectively threatening to charge every person who installed such meters with liability for any health problems residents may suffer. Moreover, 180 scientists have started a petition to warn of 5G potential health effects. Maybe these actions will afford more time for additional studies and data collection. Just as importantly, maybe they’ll cause other politicians and figureheads to reflect on what they’ve been pushing for.

Take action

In the meantime, we as individuals must do everything we can to protect ourselves. Here’s what you can do:

Understand EMFs and their behaviours
Use EMF metres to measure, mark and avoid hotspots
Whenever possible, limit your exposure: use an anti-radiation headset or speaker mode while talking on a cellphone.
Refuse to use 5G phones and devices. Full stop. And discourage those you know from doing so.
Refuse to buy anything ‘smart’ – ‘smart’ appliances, ‘smart’ heaters, etc.
Carry shungite crystals to protect from radiation
Buy an EMF protective shield for all your electronic devices
No matter what, do NOT get a smart meter – these put high levels of 5G radiation right in your home
Join the growing numbers of dissenters. Get active with them here.
Do as the Hawaiians have done and threaten smart meter and 5G tech installers with liability. You can learn how to do that here.
Spread the word! Please share this article with everyone you know
Even if the policy drivers and governments aren’t doing their due diligence, at least we can say we’re doing ours.

[MrNick]

I'm okay I've got my tin foil hat on ? (but it's really aluminium foil)

Edited May 24, 2019 by MrNick
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[Rough Hewn]

Fascinating stuff Rob,
Bloody scary.
Nice one for the heads up.
Never even considered this, smart meter is going.
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[Rob D]

1 hour ago, Rough Hewn said:

Fascinating stuff Rob,
Bloody scary.
Nice one for the heads up.
Never even considered this, smart meter is going.

Yeh but I don't know how true any of it is! We need someone who knows about this stuff... but it's probably something to be aware about.

[Woodworks]

Hmmmm I was onboard until the last paragraph "carry shungite crystals" It all sounded very scientific and well above my head but carry crystals sounds very mumbo jumbo. 

 

Honestly, I  have no idea about the health implication but I can't see we even need it. I can be working in a field in the middle of nowhere and still get see perfectly good video on a phone. Sure there are loads of poor reception areas but it doesn't sound like 5g addresses that. Fortunately, we live remotely and are unlikely to see any transmitters close by but even if half of the above is right I worry for you poor buggers who live in towns. 

 

In the climate debates, many of you say the problem is too many of us so maybe the governments have come up with a plan to fry some of us. 

[Stere]

 

 

 

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Google results: It is also sold as  a " crystal healing" stone:

 

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Hippys ?

[Mark Bolam]

Surely our health is a small price to pay for being able to watch Love Island when we're out and about?

[Bunzena]

Almost certainly no health risks.  But can never be completely certain about anything.  Weren't eggs okay - then not okay - then okay and now not okay to eat?

 

The millimetre-wave radio frequencies being used for 5G are not powerful enough to cause the effects described in the OPs article. 

 

Living in Cornwall, eating Brazil nuts, using Glyphosate, a transatlantic flight, an X-ray, getting mild sunburn, drinking 2 bottles of wine a week, a bacon sandwich are all probably more dangerous.

 

Thank goodness none of us use chainsaws or climb trees for a living....

[Woodlover]

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www.5gappeal.eu/scientists-and-doctors-warn-of-potential-serious-health-effects-of-5g/

This info seems to say it could be dodgy ,looks legit.

Edited May 24, 2019 by Woodlover

[Mick Dempsey]

Carry shungite crystals?

 

bugger! Left those at home today!