Potus ???

[Mesterh]

It's seems to me that a few of the "science has buried God" camp on here are writing cheques that current scientific knowledge just cannot cash.

No-one has been able to re-create "life"

No one has ever been able to create "something" out of nothing.

I can fully understand that people don't want to believe in a creative intelligence (even though they possess a form of one themselves).

I can also understand why people do want to put their faith in a creator.

Throwing insults about gets us nowhere.

I have friends that are atheists, I have friends that are Christian, Muslim, Seikh etc. I also have friends that are Gay. Republican and Liberal (not at the same time)

Christianity as I understand and study it tells me I should love my neighbour.

 

 

Its a fairly tall order to create life but when they do what will that mean to you? BTW when I mean life I do mean the basics of life as it took 4 billion years to get from that to us.

 

Something is being created out of nothing constantly, you just have to look at quantum physics.

 

Without trying to be condescending I think it's quite easy to believe in a God and have faith as I agree the opposite can be quite scary. To each their own but then where's the fun on agreeing to disagree.

[jomoco]

Can I suggest you re-read the Old Testament.

 

It is very difficult to imagine a more hateful, intolerant, insecure and misguided individual than Yahweh. Supposedly the perfect example of grace and good that all Christians should aspire to.

 

And before you counter that you follow the teachings of JC instead. According to Christian teachings JC, the Holy Spirit and God are all one and the same. God sent himself to be killed to repent for the sins of the people He created and has full control over.

 

Surely you can agree that this is completely bonkers?

 

The old n new testament's beat the same theme to death, that natural man's rule, alone without his maker's guidance n knowledge, invariably ends badly.

 

Almost as annoying and patronizing as Ayn Rand's most famous fictional novel, but not quite.

 

I'm very partial to Nietzsche's super man, some day supplanting the bible's evil natural man, meself.

 

Jomoco

Edited November 20, 2016 by jomoco

[the village idiot]

It's seems to me that a few of the "science has buried God" camp on here are writing cheques that current scientific knowledge just cannot cash.

No-one has been able to re-create "life"

No one has ever been able to create "something" out of nothing.

I can fully understand that people don't want to believe in a creative intelligence (even though they possess a form of one themselves).

I can also understand why people do want to put their faith in a creator.

Throwing insults about gets us nowhere.

I have friends that are atheists, I have friends that are Christian, Muslim, Seikh etc. I also have friends that are Gay. Republican and Liberal (not at the same time)

Christianity as I understand and study it tells me I should love my neighbour.

 

Common decency and humanitarianism tells exactly the same thing. Picking and choosing your morals from very eclectic divine commandments is a dangerous path IMO.

 

The 10 commandments for example could be dramatically improved upon by any mildly competent individual. The first 4 of the most important list of moral values are used up to boost God's already grossly inflated ego.

 

Why is an all powerful one true God so bloomin insecure?

[wrsni]

I think it's quite easy to believe in a God and have faith

 

No it's not, it's not easy at all. And it's becoming more and more difficult as the path of the Lord becomes increasingly divergent from contemporary society and the world around us.

[TIMON]

If God does exist and he is just, righteous and perfect then surely he would punish wrongdoing.

If someone killed your children and the killer went before a judge, wouldn't you expect the judge to punish the perpetrator?

[Mull]

Its a fairly tall order to create life but when they do what will that mean to you? BTW when I mean life I do mean the basics of life as it took 4 billion years to get from that to us.

 

 

 

Something is being created out of nothing constantly, you just have to look at quantum physics.

 

 

 

Without trying to be condescending I think it's quite easy to believe in a God and have faith as I agree the opposite can be quite scary. To each their own but then where's the fun on agreeing to disagree.

 

 

Do you or have you ever believed in god?

[Vespasian]

No it's not, it's not easy at all. And it's becoming more and more difficult as the path of the Lord becomes increasingly divergent from contemporary society and the world around us.

 

If its hard then why not come over to our side, make your life easier all round..

Come on WRSNI, come on over to the dark side:thumbup1:

[the village idiot]

If God does exist and he is just, righteous and perfect then surely he would punish wrongdoing.

If someone killed your children and the killer went before a judge, wouldn't you expect the judge to punish the perpetrator?

 

Ti, you've gone all jomoco on us!

 

I don't get what you are trying to say?

[difflock]

TCD

I liked your post/quote re the difference between the youth/young men(& women) of 1944 compared to todays angst-ridden butt-hurt society.

But the pendulum has started to swing, as evidenced by Milo Yappannoplis and his ilk.

PS

I am quite sure that Milo sniffed the wind before he choose his cause.

30 or 50 year ago his choice of cause might well have been different.

Anyway

About 40 year ago I was in Woolworths in Coleraine, just a 17 year old mooching about aimlessly, and trying not to hear the religious nutters preachng in the street outside, when an elderly Nun spoke to me, asking advice re a birthday card for her nephew.

Now even me, with my youthful hot-blooded NI Presbyterian upbringing, (and all whilst marvelling at the quite magnificent hairy mole on her chin) could see the peace and serenity in her eyes.

For her, religon, or rather a belief in God, had worked.

I still reflect on that memory from time to time.

Agnostic that I am.

Edited November 20, 2016 by difflock

[Big J]

Big J,

 

If rigorous scientific research proved than humans had an innate need for religion, myth and illusion would you still be a miserable atheist?

 

 

.

 

Yep.

 

From an evolutionary standpoint, religion is beneficial (which is delightfully contrary). Religion is a social cohesive, and it has been demonstrated that religious people tend to live longer. In earlier times, the presence of a cohesive mythology would have provided an evolutionary advantage, giving you and your offspring a better chance of succeeding in life and procreation. Personal and societal benefits would have included an explanation for incomprehensible natural phenomena (why does the sun come up etc) and giving the ruling classes a doctrine with which to instill fear and control the masses. It's remarkable how cruel you can be to your peasants if an eternal life of endless happiness awaits provided they are good and subservient.

 

All of this belongs in the past. Whilst social cohesion is as important as ever, I'd like to think that we are done basing it on one of the various fairy tales the world religions ascribe to.