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I agree, but thats Jøtuls own advice. I'd imagine other Norwegian Stove manufacturers give out the same. So its little wonder why Scandinavians, like people in the UK wont buy it.

But they still are not interested in burning Softwood. I know a couple of sellers over there (Small Scale) and they simply cant shift it. People have been ingrained to think Birch is the way forward hence why they seem to import huge quantities for all the stoves almist every home seems to have there. They dont sell anything other that Birch in almost all the outlets I used. But when they are importing so much Birch you'd think they'd also import other hardwoods, but they dont. Anyway, the point being is they, like us in the UK are conditioned not to burn Softwood, for whatever reason.

Jøtul themselves seem to recommend Hardwoods, I have no idea what a copy of theirs would recommend though; Trust in Hardwoods Different woods burn in different ways and hardwoods have proven to be among the best sources of heat for any wood burning stove. Hardwoods provide a dense wood structure when properly seasoned, and burn for much longer than the loose structure of soft woods such as pine and spruce. Oak and Elm are great Hardwoods, but can be difficult to burn within the unit as their density structure is sometimes too tight to burn. Some of the best choices include; Crab Apple, Hornbeam, Ash, Beech, and Hawthorn. These woods have proven over time to burn the best without too tight of an interior structure. Some new wood stove owners attempt to burn pine as the wood is cheap, but Pine should always be avoided as the wood builds up harmful deposits within the flue. Overtime, the use has been known to cause fires. The wood is ideal for outdoor fires only as there is no risk of the harmful buildup in the great outdoors. Everything you just mentioned only benefits the supplier and not the end user. With Softwood fractionally cheaper than Hardwood it makes no sense to buy softwood. Say you sell a Dumpy Bag of Softwood at a weight of 200kg, and the same Dumpy Bag of Hardwood at 350kg, you're getting significantly less calorific value for a few quid cheaper. Where sellers to sell by weight alone only then does the calorific value really come into play. Ah I see. Interesting info, cheers.

If you remember the model number we can investigate the user manual. I do get that. In my limited time processing firewood the soft was by far easier and quicker to process than the hard. But is the calorific value determined by its weight? Ie, the softwood calorific value is slightly lower than hard per KG. Then if folk are buying logs by a volume and not weight then they will be getting significantly less calorific value but will be told they are getting slightly under Hardwood, and thats not true. Why would that be? So I hear, Id like to try some to see what its like.

Big J was referring to what he believes is a mainly UK negative attitude to Softwood, I was just pointing out my own observations on that differ and from what I’ve seen the UK has a similar outlook on softwood as many other countries. I’ll be logging up a lot of softwood from my plot this year and look forward to mixing it in with my hardwood. I’ll also be installing my Ironheart in the kitchen so it will be nice to have some “kitchen wood” handy. ?

Another kiln. ?

From my experience Scandinavia, Norway at least, almost exclusively burns Birch. Not only because it’s so abundant over there but to keep up with demand they import huge quantities of it from a Eastern Europe. Soft wood is seen as a building material and as almost all houses are made from wood the demand for softwood as a building material is also very high. In the Book Norwegian Wood Lars Mitting does not speak of soft wood in very favourable terms and also sings the praises of Birch. He describes the Norwegian attitude to softwood as “kitchen wood” no use in a stove and only fit for short, fast burns in the kitchen oven. From my time in Texas and visiting a few folk I work with there Hardwood is the only thing they burn, they would not burn softwood. Of course this is just empirical evidence. Also viewing hours and hours of Milling videos based in the US the opinion I’ve gathered is they also burn mainly hardwood. I don’t know much about Europe but they also seem to like Birch in the North and olive wood in the south.

British or international hesitation?

What we need is regulation put in place before anyone is allowed to use a Bandsaw. If it broke at the weld then (in my limited experience) its either; 1, manufacturer error. 2, over tensioned. 3, incorrect alignment 4, end of its life, ie re-sharpened a few times. @Big J will have the correct answers though.

Tension is the first thing that springs to mind? Was it set to the recommended setting? Has is seen much 'pushing'? Maybe stressed it? Did it snap at the weld? Is the Mill set up to within the manufacturers tolerances? Everything on mine is set up within a mill or so. More to do with the wavey cut issue I had initially. Im a total noob so disregard my advice as you see fit.

https://www.argyll-bute.gov.uk/news/2014/feb/wood-burning-stove-safety-advice Another interesting read.

Good point. I'll do that.

@pancakedan

Did you manage to have a look at the link I posted on page three? My Father-in-law called his insurance when he installed his stove on his own and was told he was still covered due to the laws in Scotland. An old drunk I know burned his house down due to storing logs beside a self installed Stove (badly installed at that) and they rebuild his house to new standards. But I do take on-board your points and will do some investigations before I go any further.

What sense would that be?

More Scaremongering from the Press. Will still be allowed to purchase 2 cubes of wet/green wood at a time. How many folk buy more than this in one go? If they do they Im sure they could have the load split over a few days, nudge nudge wink wink. I thought the proposal/law says sub 25%? Thats easy to achieve with Air Drying in the UK. Apart from the fact its gonna be neigh impossible to police I cant see it making much difference to anyone.

Lovely table! I love the top! Would be great to see some pictures of the process so I can copy them at a later date.

Looking forward to seeing more pics.

My Classic Car does not have rear seat belts as they where not a requirement when it was new. Every single MOT the guys tried to fail it on the rear Belts, and numerous other things that it does not require, ie brake efficiency of a modern car and emissions to name a few. In the end they generally let me walk them through the MOT and 'advise' them. Would Marker lights on a Van/truck that did not require them when new also be exempt?

If you can poke it to a depth of a foot then Id imagine it will carry on significantly deeper than that. If you're happy to risk the best part of £300 and further chain damage costs by other potential metal incursions give it a bash. You could be pleasantly surprised. For that kinda money Id just buy a Chinese Mill and do it yourself, I suspect you have Saws, or access to a large Saw? 48" Chinese Mills will give you a 42" Cut. £160 + vat 48" Bar £250 + vat 48" Chain £65 All approx! Maybe some second hand on ebay too. Worth a though?

Its a fair size, gotta be over 40" Diameter? Couple of meters long max? Some rot in there too, how far does that travel up? You might get lucky and get some good bits out of it, or you 'll most likely get a lot of firewood. Looks like some metal in there too going by the staining, unless thats just from the chain? Id maybe have a go at milling it if I had an Alaskan but I doubt Id risk paying someone to do it. Expensive firewood.

Big J will love that!

My Round 5KW Stove pumped out so much heat I was constantly in my boxers. But Norwegian Houses are very well insulated. Hardly had to fuel it all all. But getting logs in was tricky.

Thats a nice Stove. I had one very much like it when I was in Norway. I had the Jøtul F377. Cracking wee 5kw Stove. Sounds like a right pain in the ass with your installers. Might just do it myself after all.

So I ordered the Arada Ecoburn 11. Wife preferred it over the Hunter Herald. I'll give the over night burns a go, see how the flue holds up. I'm hoping a good burn the next morning will clear out the Flue. We'll see. I see the Back-Boiler option is £270 so I'll get that at a later date if I go down that road. When I called the lassie on the phone said that the Boiler will take 4.2kw, enough to run four 1sq/m single skin radiators. Does not seem much. But better than nothing I guess?