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Yet all the fruit and Tattie pickers you’re indigenous back then. We had thriving apprenticeships throughout the U.K. that was then decimated by a flood of cheap pre-qualified European workers. We now see a resurgence in apprenticeships and this is primarily due to greedy companies no longer having easy access to cheap foreign labour and now having to look to long term workforce development. (I see you cover this in your next paragraph but in my opinion the facts don’t tally with your POV) My dad works harder than your dad. No, I know you do. And I know agriculture is hard graft. So when the EU allows those from Eastern Europe to undermine the already meagre wages of course the indigenous population will look elsewhere for employment. I live in the heart of Angus, the breadbasket of Scotland. I’m surrounded by Farms and Farmers. My friends and acquaintances are Farmers and they also employ local lads. Now that I think about it I see very few Europeans in their workforce. There is still the bus loads of seasonal workers doing the unskilled laborious work of course. But they do it because it’s financially viable for them. If I could move to a nice 1st world country for the summer and make multiple times the wage I could at home then I’d do that too. The only way we can have incredibly cheap fresh produce is by paying the workers pennies on the pound but at the same time those pennies on the pound are actual pounds for them where they come from. For an indigenous workforce to re-enter this market the wages would have to reflect the living costs of the country they are working/living in. Until that happens we’ll have those that believe Brexit was a bad idea calling these people lazy when I’m fact they are not willing to subject themselves to slave like conditions for pennies. And look where that’s got them…. Swedish PM says integration of immigrants has failed, fueled gang crime | Reuters WWW.REUTERS.COM Sweden has failed to integrate the vast numbers of immigrants it has taken in over the past two decades, leading to parallel...

I like that one. Reducing traffic whilst at the same time importing over half a million people a year onto the island. Irony at its finest.

The UK certainly needs to get its house in order thats for sure! Until we do we should shut the doors to all but the very exceptional asylum cases. No one seems to be able to explain how we will build near enough homes to house the 600-700,0000 migrants coming in per year. Its simply not feasible. Its the elephant in the room that we're ignoring and responding with soundbites such as 'well, we have a huge skill' shortage. Its such non sequitur reasoning. This is primarily because of open borders and joining the EU. I'm 'only' 44 and when I was a youth there was no foreign fruit and veg pickers it was all done by British workers, myself included. When you flood the market with cheap labour who is happy working their fingers to the bone for what is seen as a pittance to the indigenous people then they'll simply stop working in that sector. I have no doubt that if the Eastern Europeans who have undercut the British people would simply upsticks if the Farmers were allowed to import North Koreans who'd thank their lucky stars at simply being given 3 square meals a day and a warm bed without the threat of their whole family being sent to a reeducation camp. Joining the EU and the importation of cheap labour has been devastating to the UK and will take generations to fix. Only those who pin their hopes on Brexit failing expect decades of dumbing down the UK to the lowest common denominator would be fixed within a few years.

I’m glad I’m not the only one who’s noticed.

No, I guess we’ll never agree. But surely we can agree on the reasons you left the U.K. particularly being over-crowding, Rabbit Hutch Housing and ridiculous house prices? I really don’t see the connection between mass migration and Brexit though. What part of Brexit in your mind has resulted in an increased number of people wishing to live in the U.K.? Is it that Brexit is working and making the U.K. a more desirable place to live than say Germany with its sinking economy?

Migration is by far the single biggest reason for the housing crisis. Highlighting that illegal immigration alone will result in the UK never resolving the situation. The fact that there is still 600,000 'legal' migrants entering the UK a year shows just how futile the situation is. I dont agree. Having to house an extra 650,000 a year on top of the population grown at the expense of the taxpayer is an impossible task. No amount of planning could resolve this no matter the budget. Amazing! I wish the cottages next to be came up at that price! They needed gutting and cant even legally be lived in, holiday cottages only and they went for over £60k each.

How on earth can we continue to build houses and infrastructure at that rate though? Its impossible, we're an island and an over populated one at that. Even if net migration was zero it would take years to fix the housing crisis we have today. Importing 650,000 annually is absolutely the single biggest source of the housing crisis, your very own figures confirm this. One of the reasons you indicated you moved away from the UK was over crowding and how much you enjoy not seeing another soul on your daily bike rides. You also regularly moan about the Rabbit Hutch Housing here in the UK and at the same time you refuse to acknowledge that a net migration of over 600,000 a year is not a significant issue in the Housing Crisis. Its mind boggling. That's just the tip of the iceberg though, the vast majority of these illegal's are working age men. If that bleeding heart lefty who claimed earlier in this thread that 90% of them get legal status then they'll simply bring their families over and significantly swell that number. Even if we ignore the 600,000 net legals coming over we're still having to build over 40,000 just to house illegal's each year. Its a massive undertaking that will solely be placed on the taxpayer. Its little wonder you left the UK, and you sure moaned and complained about it for long enough before you finally did so, but to sit there in your relative remote piece of Swedish paradise and claim mass migration is not a serious issue is laughable.

Might be unnecessary but so what? Where do you draw the line at whats necessary in life? We could spend days whittling down what we use/consume on a daily basis and Im quite confident an en suite would be considered low impact compared to most of our conveniences. Its such a pointless and ridiculous thing to highlight. You're not sure if you want to piss in a cupboard? As in you've not made your mind up yet? I bet you wear your shoes indoors as well. Im not in favour of building more and more houses though. If we're going to take environmental issues seriously we need to vastly reduce our population on this small island of ours. Thats by far the bigger picture than worrying about the supposed impact a few extra square meters an en suit has. Not even the die hard climate change lunatics have a hard -on for en suits.

So we agree, it has nothing to do with Brexit?

What does Brexit have to do with economic migrants illegally flooding over the Chanel in small boats? Saying that Brexit has seen a significant amount of Eastern Europeans return home. A case in point has seen a shortage of lorry drivers due to these people leaving and a serious increase in the wages British lorry drivers could command. As it should be.

Your 'point' somehow failed to mention arguably the single biggest contributor to the housing crisis in the UK which is mass migration yet at the same time included en suites as a cause and you're still unable to explain why.

Whatever your views on their 'legal' status the fact remains that this supposed decline in in the population we'll not witness for decades is irrelevant to the housing shortage we're witnessing for British people. This years batch of 17,000 illegal's coming over by boat will now need homed. If they had a legal claim to live in the UK then they'd enter legally, but they dont. They are illegal's, simple as. They will be given homes that British people desperately need. And who are you to say whats being built is not what we need? If they're being bought, bought being the pertinent word as opposed to just handed to as in the vast majority of the illigals entering our border then they are being bought by those who are paying the backbone of income tax in the UK. They are highly likely, not not always, leveling up meaning they are vacating a smaller, less expensive property allowing someone further down the ladder a chance to either get on the ladder or move up a notch. And who do you think should pay to build these free houses for endless flood of illegal's? No one has any spare money to pay an increased tax to home them. But to convince yourself that the supposed housing crisis is not primarily driven by mass immigration is asinine in the extreme.

Stating that the population is supposedly going to decrease within the next 20-30 years does in no way explain the housing shortage we are experiencing today. Seventeen thousand illegal immigrants have crossed the channel in boats this year so far. That's just illegal's crossing by boat, its not including the other illegal's entering the UK nor those who are legal migrants. Of these 17,000 illegal's the vast majority are working/fighting age men. Once these men have been processed and no longer live in Hotels they will be homed. They will not be homed in a commune, they will be given a house or a flat. They will then be allowed, or even if they are not allowed they will bring their families or extended families with them. But even if they dont thats 17,000 less homes for the British population, this year alone. The year is not even over yet. Since records began in 2018 100,000 illegal's have crossed the channel in boats and very few have been deported. Again, this is not including genuine migrants entering the UK by legal means who needed homed nor the illegal's entering the UK by other means. To not lay the blame at mass migration being the leading driver in lack of homes for the British public is simply burying your head in the sand and ignoring reality. But yeh, the real issue is when Wimpy builds houses with an en suite for the people who can actually afford to pay for that house who undoubtedly will be funding the housing for those who are flooding over our boarders. Semantics my arse!

Did you forget about mass migration? Weird how thats not on your exhaustive list. And how does an ensuite toilet contribute? Its not like if there is not one installed that you need to go to the toilet any less frequently. Its not like as if another family member is using the only government sanctioned toilet in the house that the dump you badly needed suddenly vanishes. Why you're pushing for the UK population to live in some kind of dystopian almost Matrix style Rabbit Hutch's stacked in uniform little rows is anyone's guess. Are you guilty of any of the crimes you list above? Or is it just other people that should submit to less showering, only living in a terraced house, no ensuite in your house? If you're not guilty of any of the above it sounds more like sour grapes than anything.

Why not?

So what?

I used a branch logger fairly often. We log into 1.25m3 vented bags with zero issues. They dry super fast with a breeze.

Good book that.

The Rig buys in about £5000 in prizes a week for the Bingo. Its basically a way to fairly divvy out the prizes and not be accused of favoritism.

I won a iPad Pro actually. Think it was my lucky Panties.

Very nice! Steak Saturday right enough! Might even dress up a bit for the bingo tonight 😁

You’ve been watching Armageddon too much. 😁 Norway’s a bit diffident. All Rigs are CyberRigs now so very little hands on and everything is closely monitored, both data and cameras etc. it’s great that I can sip my coffee and keep an eye on the guys on the screens then call them on the radio if they’re doing something wrong.

So a very biased opinion then? Utterly worthless propaganda from someone with an obvious grudge. Its hardly an informed opinion, its a (rightly so) hate filled opinion from someone who would not give an honest opinion on Russia if his life depended on it. Im sitting at a Deck in the middle of the North Sea, more of a swivel chair but it does have arm rests so I guess its kind of an armchair.

Thats good to know. Are the batteries interchangeable?