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Corbyn got a kicking from Channel 4 & BBC documentaries this evening!

Soz! Saw it on FB!!

Ummmmm.... Just saying.....

I think that's an apples v oranges scenario - the Road Fund Licence class may be correct as LGV and so could the DPV category be correct. RFL class and vehicle designated as DPV are not mutually exclusive (I think!?!)

That's today's schedule shot then!

This is a bit of an odd one.... In-laws need a Pop dismantle / fell near Cheadle (Stoke on Trent) There are 2 options really, either give me a shout if there's a local firm potentially want the job, or I could climb / dismantle if there is someone that can work the ropes and has local connections and a wagon or trailer to take away the arisings. Might suit an employed bod interested in a weekender? I don't have the connections (without doing a bit of research) for getting the wood away. PM if you're in that area and it sounds like something you'd be interested in.

Can it go on the motorway? Hold on, there aren't any in Cornwall......

Difficult to express a view otherwise... Maybe just as likely the roots could take a path under / around the wall if it's sound??

I bet! They look so simple / elemental but the real work / skill must be in making something that looks so simple - easily overlooked I'm sure!

👍🏻😆👍🏻 Yes I know mate! I looped it back like that because that's as far as my interest / stamina goes... 😳

Brilliant! I really like those conkers on yr website!

Salesman has been talking to 'head office technical.' We'll see what this coming week brings Richard.

Er, (a) because they could be liable for financial losses incurred as a result of misinformation they intentionally or negligently provided, (b) because they are issuing MoT certificates (which may or may not be the correct class) after the 3 year point for vehicles they sold and (c ) because a salesperson that doesn't 'know' his product lacks credibility. Quite! Not wishing to get into an argument about it mate, I'm just 'doing my thing' and sharing the detail in case anyone else is interested or may be following. If you're happy to drive past a camera at 70 and not bothered if your truck is MoT'd at class 4 or 7, or not bothered if, by potentially not having a valid MoT, your insurance is invalidated..... It's no concern of mine.

Have a look at the flowchart in post 63 (may not open on a phone) By my reckoning (which may well be wrong) I think it should be class 7.

Sorry fella, your link and this one both identify regulations from Govdot websites that state <2040kg unladen weight as the qualifying criteria for a DPV. Some of the comments on the thread you link made me think the contributors probably had twin vertical exhaust stacks, super wide wheels and raised suspension, dixie horns, a gallon of moonshine in the back and a confederate flag on the bonnet of their Navarra. (come to think of it, that sounds pretty good!) Long story long, lower speed limits apply if not within qualifying weight range for a DPV. Mind, it is purely an 'academic' issue since people will and do drive at what ever speed they fancy - I just happened across the issue of dealers either not knowing or not making the info available to prospective new customers and wanted to get to the bottom of it. Try throwing the MoT class question in to the Navarra boys, stand well back and take cover!!

Legend!!

Have you read the whole thread Steve? There's some interesting / sobering comments! Take due care!

It is from that book!! Is it yourself in the pic??? How cool is that!

Nice one, thanks for that link! I now have all the pieces ready for the email to the dealer!

I have! I've rolled over!! I've ordered it despite the appalling sales work and lack of product knowledge. It's either that, or they are intentionally being obtuse so as not to dissuade potential future customers? I did the flowchart, no guarantee its right, just my best stab at trying to understand the overlapping parameters. Sold the 110 last weekend so waiting for a new shiny truck now. Driving at 60 rather than 70 will just be like being back in a Landrover (albeit without the noise, vibration, resonance from the roof rack and leaking roof!) I'm minded to document the whole tortuous saga of attempting to extract accurate & reliable info from the dealer to Toyota UK. I will either get the demo on a weigh bridge or get mine on it. Although I can't seem to get a definitive answer on what constitutes "kerb weight" / unladen weight or even which one applies when trying to establish the +/- 2040kg issue.

Nice one, well done!! Good on ya!!

Worth a thought, don't forget that 'office equipment' and 'computers' are eligible for AIA in the tax return. A good smart phone has more computing power than early NASA computers so I'd happily argue with (picture) that it's an 'office in my pocket.' Smartphone is millions of times faster than NASA's 1960s computers I find it more economic to buy the phone and be free of the shackles of the EU (whoops, that's a different thread) free of the shackles of a contract. I get more data, minutes & texts than I can use for £8 / month on a contract free phone. Was paying £45 / month on contract so doesn't take long for the phone to pay for itself through reduced contract fees - so long as it doesn't get broken! Have yourself a nice one and let (picture) help pay for it! Bonus!!

Latest brochure shows as below. They've beaten me, I give in, I cannot get a straight answer to (what I think) is a simple question (nor the second order questions that result from the first!) They have now, seemingly begrudgingly, acknowledged that a crew cab is NOT a DPV because it exceeds 2040 unladen weight and that lower speed limits apply, but they will not concede that it should be class 7 rather than class 4 MoT test. It has reminded me of the conversation about wether a parked trailer without an attached towing vehicle could be ticketed for 'parking' on double yellow lines. "Just Me" said the question must be perfectly worded to avoid any misinterpretation, ambiguity or wriggle room mindful that it will be answered by a desk jockey who may, or may not apply common sense / experience / personal interpretation to the wording. I've just had a glimpse into the world he was describing - and it's raised my blood pressure! I don't mind / care that speed limits are slightly lower (I believe we are the only county in England without a motorway anyway.) Similarly, I don't care / mind if it is class 4 or 7 MoT test. I just wanted a straight answer so that I knew what I was buying into - too much to ask for it seems! Ford & Toyota sales team seem unable to answer the question other than to say, we've always done them as class 4 so it must be right. :bang head: I haven't bothered raising the question of MoT class with Isuzu, he was just so keen to point out the deficiencies with the other 2! I'm certainly no petrol head or expert in motoring matters but it seems clear enough to me as shown in the flowchart. Hopefully the main dealer 'experts' can find an error in my thinking..... (I'll try a different format for flowchart) Pick Up Flowchart.pdf

I fell asleep after Soubry laid into McDonnell! What a boring bunch of establishment muppets.