Making the news today....

[sime42]

29 minutes ago, Steven P said:

 

Weird... because they are exposed to all in general schools. Try getting a Catholic school to accept a Muslim child and cater for their specific needs - same as getting a Muslim school to do the same for a Catholic

Try getting a Catholic school to cater for the specific needs of a child with a secular outlook!

[Johnsond]

Civil servants rush to freeze £2 MILLION grant handed to mosque that has decades-long history of alleged extremism and hate speech, including an imam who gave sermon on how to stone women 'correctly'

WWW.DAILYMAIL.CO.UK

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The Green Lane Mosque in Birmingham was awarded a £2million grant to build a youth...

🤷‍♂️for those among you who yearn for this multicultural paradise. 

[Johnsond]

3 minutes ago, sime42 said:

Try getting a Catholic school to cater for the specific needs of a child with a secular outlook!

Try not sending them there in the first place 🤷‍♂️. What would be the specific needs for this child with the outlook you describe. 

[Steven P]

8 minutes ago, sime42 said:

Try getting a Catholic school to cater for the specific needs of a child with a secular outlook!

 

We did, wasn't happening. 'secular' isn't going to make some choke into their cornflakes as much as 'Muslim' would for a post first thing in the morning, far more amusing.

[Johnsond]

27 minutes ago, Steven P said:

 

We did, wasn't happening. 'secular' isn't going to make some choke into their cornflakes as much as 'Muslim' would for a post first thing in the morning, far more amusing.

🤔Pretty sure parents have the option to remove kids from RE lessons in the UK if they choose . 

Edited September 4, 2023 by Johnsond

[carlos]

i thought it was the covid restrictions that were ruining the country!??

now its the immigrants !!!!

[sime42]

Uh oh!

 

[peds]

1 hour ago, carlos said:

i thought it was the covid restrictions that were ruining the country!??

now its the immigrants !!!!

I think you'll find it's a secret cabal of the poor, students, and the gays. 

[sime42]

On 03/09/2023 at 09:49, Big J said:

 

I don't even think with higher wages that Brits would entertain the idea of fruit/veg picking. The issue is that it has to be tied to production rate and like with chainsaw operation, the difference between the best and the worst is massive and hourly rates can't be paid in such situations.

 

Another point potentially worth noting is that Brits aren't very good at sticking at one job for extended periods of time. I recall seeing a TV show where German and British employees swapped jobs for a period. I don't remember the name of the programme, but the German company was Faber Castell (pencil maker). They spoke to an employee who operated a specific machine and had done so for over ten years. He was perfectly happy. The job was semi skilled, but he was very good at it, had excellent work conditions and took pride in his work.

 

It is more common in the UK (and I include myself in this) for employees to see each job only as an entry on their CV. A progression to the next opportunity. That short-termist approach to employment means it's unlikely for UK workers to stick at fruit and veg picking for any period of time as they'll be looking at the employment horizon beyond.

 

It's a generalisation I know, but I do feel that there is truth in it. I found it to be the case with chainsaw operatives in the UK. It was very difficult to find quality cutters who were technically adept, hard working and without ego. The best cutters were running or wanted to run their own squads, and there were a lot of lads that thought they were brilliant when really they weren't. 

 

As regards immigration here in Sweden, no one will argue that it was done perfectly. Too many in too short a time is the consensus. The problems are obviously worse in the cities and we don't see the kinds of issues that they do. 

 

I really like that our school has 30% kids with parents born outside of Sweden. It's about 10-12% German/Austrian, and my daughters are at school with kids from Syria, the Baltic states, the UK, almost every country in Europe and even America. 

 

I think you've hit the nail on the head here and with another point in a previous post. It's not the wages that are the issue with the fruit and veg picking, it's just the sheer physical nature of the work involved. The average brit is not fit enough to do it. Most that need the employment choose not to do it, even if they were offered more money, they'd rather get slightly less money to sit at home on benefits. Such is the mess of a system here.

Just compare the physical shape and size of the average hardworking immigrant to the average obese British Benefit Bum. Unsurprisingly, I've heard a few times now that employers would much rather use foreign labour because of their output and work ethic.

 

A personal account from this weekend that illustrates the above. So we went for a walk up a well known large Shropshire hill yesterday, as it was a lovely warm day. There were hundreds of people at the top but we were the only ones using our own two feet to get there, apart from one cyclist and one crazy fell runner.  The rest were a load of blobs in cars, almost nose-to-tail driving up to the top and back down again. Pausing only long enough to have a sugary snack and drink, judging by all the litter strewn around the place. To cap it all off there were a couple of people dragging their two children around the car park in one of those four wheeled festival shopping trolley things. As if they couldn't walk even that short distance themselves. The children looked about the same age, if not slightly older than my son. Who'd walked all the way up, then back again without much bother, about 4 1/2 miles in total. (Having eaten almost as much as me!) No wonder we have an obesity epidemic, and can't even pick our own fruit and veg.

 

The state of things makes you want to despair at times.

 

I'm guessing I know the answer, but what are the average fitness and BMI levels like in Sweden?

 

 

 

[Steven P]

2 hours ago, carlos said:

i thought it was the covid restrictions that were ruining the country!??

now its the immigrants !!!!

 

Jees!! How on earth do you think we got Covid in the first place? Like the plague of 1665, it came over the Chanel on boats. Do keep up.