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[scbk]

China and india pollute a lot cos they're making cheap crap for us, they're on our payroll.

Cars to iphones to wind turbines to landfill junk sold in poundland

[Steven P]

China and India polluting the world - so the rest of the world should as well? That doesn't sound so good to me. I was always told the best thing to do is lead by example, aim to be the best we can and not equalling the worst that they can be.

 

I reckon I would prefer a day in the hills surrounded by windmills than an hour walking around a nuclear power plant or dodging coal trucks heading to a power station any day.

 

 

 

 

Anyway, couple a few quick stats, if you like that, for electricity

Chinas electricity use per person is about the same as Europeans... but have many with no electricity supply

India uses about 1/4 of Europeans

US, Canada double and Norway 4 times what we use! (won't mention Iceland)

Some African states annual per person electricity use is what I use in a week

.. when everyone in the world have their technology aspirations met (pretty much to do what we do today) we are going to need a lot more electricity and that means green energy, far better to be on it now, learn, get the experience, knowledge, factories and then we can make a profit from that.

 

[trigger_andy]

7 hours ago, Mark J said:

Labour lost my vote some time ago. I suspect he'll get voted in because you'd have to be a mug to vote for the current government again.

So you won’t vote Labour and you won’t vote Tory. There’s literally no other party who is not a single policy party out there. 
 

You admit labour are a shower of twats that could not run the U.K. Labour is and has for a long time been the party of “trust me” Tony, the biggest war criminal the U.K. has ever known. Shipman might add murderer to that. 
 

Labour constantly clamoured for far more stringent Covid restrictions that the Tories and yet you seem to indicate you believe the Tories were heavy handed? 
 

It looks like we’ll see another term of Tory rule come the next GE and as abhorrent as that is even you indicate that it’s better than Labour getting in. 
 

You’re certainly a man of contradictions. 

[Johnsond]

38 minutes ago, Steven P said:

China and India polluting the world - so the rest of the world should as well? That doesn't sound so good to me. I was always told the best thing to do is lead by example, aim to be the best we can and not equalling the worst that they can be.

 

I reckon I would prefer a day in the hills surrounded by windmills than an hour walking around a nuclear power plant or dodging coal trucks heading to a power station any day.

 

 

 

 

Anyway, couple a few quick stats, if you like that, for electricity

Chinas electricity use per person is about the same as Europeans... but have many with no electricity supply

India uses about 1/4 of Europeans

US, Canada double and Norway 4 times what we use! (won't mention Iceland)

Some African states annual per person electricity use is what I use in a week

.. when everyone in the world have their technology aspirations met (pretty much to do what we do today) we are going to need a lot more electricity and that means green energy, far better to be on it now, learn, get the experience, knowledge, factories and then we can make a profit from that.

 

You ever been involved with any of the current renewables projects or see where the kit is actually made or who is installing it ??

Edited July 19, 2023 by Johnsond

[daveatdave]

2 hours ago, Steven P said:

China and India polluting the world - so the rest of the world should as well? That doesn't sound so good to me. I was always told the best thing to do is lead by example, aim to be the best we can and not equalling the worst that they can be.

 

I reckon I would prefer a day in the hills surrounded by windmills than an hour walking around a nuclear power plant or dodging coal trucks heading to a power station any day.

 

 

 

 

Anyway, couple a few quick stats, if you like that, for electricity

Chinas electricity use per person is about the same as Europeans... but have many with no electricity supply

India uses about 1/4 of Europeans

US, Canada double and Norway 4 times what we use! (won't mention Iceland)

Some African states annual per person electricity use is what I use in a week

.. when everyone in the world have their technology aspirations met (pretty much to do what we do today) we are going to need a lot more electricity and that means green energy, far better to be on it now, learn, get the experience, knowledge, factories and then we can make a profit from that.

 

when you go for a day in the hills surrounded by windmills don't forget to take a bin bag to put all the dead birds in that have been hit by the blades 

[Steven P]

10 hours ago, daveatdave said:

when you go for a day in the hills surrounded by windmills don't forget to take a bin bag to put all the dead birds in that have been hit by the blades 

 

Likewise, in the city do you take bin bags for the birds that hit windows, are killed and weakened from car and power station exhausts, from cats.... point here is that whatever we do we affect our environment (t'internet reckons that domestic cats kill a factor of 100 times more birds than windmills). We have a choice and it is one we will have to make very soon - turn down our electricity use, go green with energy generation, or go back to Russia to get our gas supplies till that runs out. Can't see London being very happy if we tell them to turn off the electricity at the weekends.

[Anno]

THE LAST BEE
After the last ee
had uzzed its last uzz,

the irds and the utterflies
did what they could.

ut soon the fields lay are,
few flowers were left,

nature was roken,
and the planet ereft.

 

BRIAN BILSTON.

[sime42]

14 hours ago, Johnsond said:

Like I say you do like to gobble up a bit of hysteria 42. Get yourself to China and India and see how you get on. We do far more than most here.  You of all people advising “ open your eyes” that’s pretty ironic. 

 

Do you actually believe that this is all media hysteria? Surely this isn't another of your Moonbat jobs?

 

Whilst I'm in China viewing their huge renewable energy infrastructure, you could have a little trip to Italy, or the US or China. You don't even have to open your eyes if you don't want to, you can just feel the unprecedented heat waves.

 

 

[Johnsond]

13 hours ago, sime42 said:

 

Do you actually believe that this is all media hysteria? Surely this isn't another of your Moonbat jobs?

 

Whilst I'm in China viewing their huge renewable energy infrastructure, you could have a little trip to Italy, or the US or China. You don't even have to open your eyes if you don't want to, you can just feel the unprecedented heat waves.

 

 

Christ you are beyond talking common sense too. I should have known that after the last few years. Yep chinas wonderful renewables infrastructure eh 42 🤔oh yeah they are massively into that along with the multiple new coal fired power stations and steel works. There is a balance to be had and we could start by cutting China out the loop in regards what we see around our coastline. Educate yourself on the current reality of uk renewables and the source of most of the eqpt 42 and the tidal options available in the uk etc etc 

the changes required need to be from government and be long term strategic ones  rather than punitive actions to the average citizen in the short term. 
Unlike yourself 42 I’ve seen first hand and worked within the renewable industry, seen all the vessels, the crews the crane barges the heavy lift ships hauling jackets and monopoles from China and elsewhere all the way to the uk to install off our coastline wind farms that generate eye watering profits for mainly overseas companies.paid for in the end by UK customers. 

Edited July 20, 2023 by Johnsond

[sime42]

2 hours ago, Johnsond said:

Christ you are beyond talking common sense too. I should have known that after the last few years. Yep chinas wonderful renewables infrastructure eh 42 🤔oh yeah they are massively into that along with the multiple new coal fired power stations and steel works. There is a balance to be had and we could start by cutting China out the loop in regards what we see around our coastline. Educate yourself on the current reality of uk renewables and the source of most of the eqpt 42 and the tidal options available in the uk etc etc 

the changes required need to be from government and be long term strategic ones  rather than punitive actions to the average citizen in the short term. 
Unlike yourself 42 I’ve seen first hand and worked within the renewable industry, seen all the vessels, the crews the crane barges the heavy lift ships hauling jackets and monopoles from China and elsewhere all the way to the uk to install off our coastline wind farms that generate eye watering profits for mainly overseas companies.paid for in the end by UK customers. 

So you do believe Climate Change to be a thing? I'm still not clear.

 

Trying to distil that down to a coherent point;

I think you're trying to say that we ought to be using our own UK manufactured renewable infrastructure, rather than Chinese. Correct?

I completely agree. Our government don't seem to believe in that sentiment though unfortunately, they're unable to make those long term strategic decisions, for whatever reasons. We really should have nationalised critical infrastructure, but that ship has long since sailed as far as energy supply goes. France and China already own half of ours anyway. So what's the difference if some or ideally all of that is from renewable sources? I fear you may be missing the bigger point again.🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️

 

What are these "punitive actions to the average citizen in the short term" that you speak of?