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12 hours ago, Big J said:

 

England could just have the right to roam. It would be simpler.

I just carry clip board n have hard hat on, works every time. K

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Posted (edited)
19 hours ago, Big J said:

 

I think that's the issue though. 

 

Because the English have so precious few access rights to the countryside, they bitterly hold onto the ones they do have, and with unreasonable possessiveness. They forget that it's not their land. 

 

With open access, all land is accessible, and then no one place sees constant pressure, no one landowner constant hassle. Perhaps people even start to learn that universal access is a privilege that comes with responsibility....

 

It made work a little easier in some respects in Scotland. If you had to close a route, it wasn't so much of an issue because the member of public had dozens of other options. 

 

Down here, you find that the public get tremendously irate if you restrict the little access that they have, and kick up a much greater fuss.

 

I don't know though. I appreciate that it's a difficult and emotive subject and that a significant proportion of the public are total f*ckwits. 

 

Perhaps an amended right to roam where if you abuse your access rights then you're immediately shot?! 😁

 

issue is 99% of jockland is worthless so it matters not who wanders all over it. England on other hand farmers invest a lot of money into and i dont blame them not wanting any tom dick and harry wandering over it.

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Was thinking why is fur seen ethically as worse than meat or leather?

 

 

 

foie gras does seem  cruel but probably isn't much worse than battery hens?

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Was thinking why is fur seen ethically as worse than meat or leather?
 
 
 
foie gras does seem  cruel but probably isn't much worse than battery hens?


Agreed. Nothing wrong with fur in the slightest if the animals living conditions are to an approved standard. As you say, if you wear leather, use glue or any other animal derivative then you need to take a look at your perspective and ask yourself if posting that link is due to the persons clouded and biased views of a certain party.
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Exactly. I've no particularly strong feelings about either. Foie gras is actually rather tasty. They should probably both be stopped really but they're very small issues in comparison to the whole factory farming/intensively reared livestock industry.

I suppose fur, and leather, is worse if that's the only part of the animal that's used. If the meat isn't eaten as well then it's a waste. Worse still if it's wild animals being killed just for their fur.

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Exactly. I've no particularly strong feelings about either. Foie gras is actually rather tasty. They should probably both be stopped really but they're very small issues in comparison to the whole factory farming/intensively reared livestock industry.

I suppose fur, and leather, is worse if that's the only part of the animal that's used. If the meat isn't eaten as well then it's a waste. Worse still if it's wild animals being killed just for their fur.




I’d personally prefer wild animals to be used for fur if they’re dispatched humanly and they’re not endangered. They get to lead a good life and in the blink of an eye they’re gone. Much better than farmed animals that have had a pitiful existence.
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