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[petercb]

10 hours ago, daveatdave said:

this photo just about sums up the miss information that the antis peddle

  

Don't think this one was taken out of the freezer or forged by the sabs, this is the case where the huntsman threw 4 live fox cubs to the hounds in the kennels in 2016.

 

https://www.cornwalllive.com/news/cornwall-news/huntsman-threw-fox-cubs-kennel-2964035

 

[Johnsond]

1 hour ago, openspaceman said:

Does this not constitute hunting with dogs?

Well the cat came back with yet another fresh kill mouse last night, not sure how that stacks up !!. Mind you she does tend to eat what she kills 🤷‍♂️

[Rich Rule]

Does moose hunting with dogs come under the same?

 

Is it cruel in the eyes of some?

[trigger_andy]

Just now, Rich Rule said:

Does moose hunting with dogs come under the same?

 

Is it cruel in the eyes of some?

I’ve Norwegian work mates who hunt Elg and use Elghunds. As far as I can tell the Hounds don’t bring down the Elk and rip it to pieces although I believe that has not always been the case. 
 

I’ll get an update off of him this afternoon at shift change. 
 

Funnily enough we’ve been watching a Norwegian Hunting series these last few days. 

[openspaceman]

30 minutes ago, Johnsond said:

Well the cat came back with yet another fresh kill mouse last night, not sure how that stacks up !!. Mind you she does tend to eat what she kills 🤷‍♂️

Only hunting with dogs covered by the 2004 act so a pack of cats is fine to hunt anything.

 

Only two mammals may be hunted by dogs, rats (but not mice or squirrels) and rabbits (but not hares) I just needed to check.

[Rich Rule]

12 minutes ago, trigger_andy said:

I’ve Norwegian work mates who hunt Elg and use Elghunds. As far as I can tell the Hounds don’t bring down the Elk and rip it to pieces although I believe that has not always been the case. 
 

I’ll get an update off of him this afternoon at shift change. 
 

Funnily enough we’ve been watching a Norwegian Hunting series these last few days. 

Got a link to the series Andy?

 

I am looking at a Jämthund in the new year.  Got my name down for a pup.  Jämthund is the Swedish version of the Elghund.  Little larger and slimmer.  Beautiful dags

 

 

[trigger_andy]

1 minute ago, Rich Rule said:

Got a link to the series Andy?

 

I am looking at a Jämthund in the new year.  Got my name down for a pup.  Jämthund is the Swedish version of the Elghund.  Little larger and slimmer.  Beautiful dags

 

 

I'll ask him when he comes out tonight.  

 

Lovely Dogs. I really want one as well. But with two Samoyeds already Id like a Family Friendly Guard Dog and from what my work mates says his Elghunds are no better than my Sammies at deterring Pikies. They have a good bark on them but will just lick any intruder to death before defending the property.

 

I'll look into the Jämthund. How much for a pup?

[kevinjohnsonmbe]

1 hour ago, Commando said:.  However I don't get people who say they are happy to see terriers killing rats but think hounds on foxes is unacceptable/animal cruelty.🤔

There are 2 very clearly definable differences in the 2 examples though Craig. 
 

(1) Setting terriers amongst rats is a short sharp high intensity high return and might  be considered as having an efficient and functional output. 
 

(2) It wouldn’t normally be considered as a recreational pastime dressed up as a credible pest control measure. 
 

On that basis I don’t think there is a contradiction or even a correlation between the 2 examples.  Whilst I wouldn’t necessarily say it made me happy to see a terrier amongst rats - I could / can / have seen the necessity and efficiency that can be achieved. 
 

I don’t believe the same degree of necessity / efficiency exists in relation to fox hunting. 
 

 

 

[Commando]

One point I’m pretty sure of is that the hunting ban has had a detrimental effect on the fox population.
I have a number of mates who shoot foxes on a regular basis, they all report seeing significant numbers of sick, poor conditioned, and starving foxes. Also lots of released urban foxes who have no fear of humans.
No more natural selection, they literally shoot everything they see…
Sad state of affairs.

[Johnsond]

1 hour ago, Commando said:

One point I’m pretty sure of is that the hunting ban has had a detrimental effect on the fox population.
I have a number of mates who shoot foxes on a regular basis, they all report seeing significant numbers of sick, poor conditioned, and starving foxes. Also lots of released urban foxes who have no fear of humans.
No more natural selection, they literally shoot everything they see…
Sad state of affairs.

Like a lot of the anti hunting policies unfortunately. I guess they would rather see the wholesale indiscriminate destruction of a particular animal than stomach what they see as toffs having a day out. I’m indifferent to fox hunting but as has been said before on this topic it is not all gentry out there, my sister rode regularly with hunts in Northumberland and is firmly working class but also an outstanding horsewomen, her take on it was they hardly saw a fox 9 times out of ten. Fast forward to the situation we have now with affordable night vision and thermal imaging systems and ever more efficient flat shooting rounds  and foxes are being culled in record numbers. Darkness no longer offers any cover unfortunately. I’ve been out myself with NV on a moderated 223 and to be honest it’s no longer a challenge or about fieldcraft etc. Ok a job has to be done sometimes but the reality is for many it’s about hi tech ego boosted high number hauls on a nightly basis. 🤷‍♂️A very emotive subject for sure.